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This. Nuno is getting shown up by a 29yr old rookie. Even tho Mason played his mates and was a novice to the job he still did better than Nuno

Why should we have any patience for Nuno when he's shown us nothing to suggest he's deserving of it or that we have any chance of progressing?
The issue with Nuno is he has no pedigree to buy time or patience. Mourinho at least had trophies and success, Nuno has...getting Wolves promoted and finishing 7th while playing dull football? His time at Porto and Valencia was not great, either.

And everything is going exactly how people feared it would go. Tactically, he is still making the same mistakes that he has made throughout his entire managerial career.

At this point keeping Nuno basically means hoping he will change, which is the same mistake Levy made with Mourinho. Nuno is who we said he was.
 
I think we went into the summer looking for a top manager. Rodgers, Conte, Poch. Then when it became clear that no top manager would touch us with a barge pole, the priority became getting someone cheap who could be sacked easily in the event that Poch became available. Fonseca, Gattuso, Nuno. As soon as Poch said no we started looking exclusively at free agents. We wanted someone who would be cheap to hire and cheap to fire.

I would have accepted some functional counter-attacking football but what I saw against Woolwich was just shocking to watch. Absolute caveman, brain-dead football. Leave one player in front of the back 4, shove everyone else up front and hoof the ball long. Repeat until the opponent scores not once, not twice, but three times.

Those clips Carragher showed on MNF were frightening to watch. I've never seen anything like that before. We've had teams that were powder-puff, we've had managers that were shit but I've never seen such bizarre tactics before. It was like letting a 4 year old play FIFA. Even in the worst days of AVB, Poch and Mou, I've never seen a set up that was so stupid. It was literally impossible to win with those tactics.
 
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Anyone feel proud by this? Of course not.

This club. So dissapointing. The man in charge is not capable of delivering on his promises and is clearly out of his depth.
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That first half was, tactically, a crime against our club's history. Long balls, not because we were being pressed, but a deliberate ploy to bypass midfield. Incredible. Any coach who can do that isn't right for us.

I don't think our squad is as bad as it has looked. There's a balance to be found. We need more players who can keep the ball and a bit more craft. Less Dele, Moura, more Skipp, Gil. Gio also needs to play, but he has to be central to be effective, not stuck on the flank.

Worst thing was that there was absolutely no midfield on the defensive side either!!
Attacking with long balls from CB is awful, agreed.

But to have 20 meters of empty ground in front of defense... it is criminal. You put it very well - playing like this against fucking scum is crime against our club's history. It is un-fucking-forgivable.
And then to just stand there like a piece of shit, without changing shape, without yelling instructions, without making substitutions and waiting until half time - that is something where one cannot EVER come back.
He could win next 25 games in a row. I would still not forgive him humiliating the club, the shirt the fans like this. Never.
Get him fucking out.
 
Chelsea paid more to get AVB out of his Porto contract without paying AVB himself that we paid Mourinho in wages.

Look at our managerial appointments.
Redknapp - cheap from Pompy
AVB - unemployed
Poch - Cheap from southampton
Mourinho - unemplyed
Nuno - unemployed

Pattern?

CHEAP. Even if the wages weren't, the appointments were always the cheapest initial outlay.

What kind of shit is this?!?

You know who was unemployed this summer? Conte!
Would that have made him a shit option automatically ?!?!

You are really embarrasing yourself with fetishing money spent over every other possible metric.
 
We needed Conte.

Instead Levy decided to faff about over allowing Conte to bring in his own backroom staff, allegedly.
Nothing to do with backroom staff imo. Much more to do with investment
Levy is not really interested in anything other than the balance sheet. We know this. It's been going on for a long time. And anybody who thinks he's suddenly going to have an epiphany is a touch deluded.
As a fan, I'm going to stay behind the team but I have absolutely no expectations . It's the only way to survive .
 
I don't think that it was pure luck. I think that Levy had a plan to get us to the top that has over all been executed well. But like most super successful and rich people he likes to think that his way is the correct way and thus struggle to adapt to the changing landscape around him. Levy did not for see the advent of the petrol clubs and the absolutely stupid amounts of money that they would be willing to funnel into their clubs. Levy's plan for success was built on bridging the gap to United, Liverpool and Woolwich. But it didn't factor in Chelsea being bought up by a exiled oligarch and City being bought up by a gulf state.

This happens in every business field. Someone comes along and innovates his way to the top and everything looks fine. But then comes some younger pup with some completely new ideas and he revolutionizes the field from under you. You'll still be rich and successful, just not as rich and successful as you planned to be.

I don't agree with this one bit.

There are very obvious flaws in how we have been operating. Regardless of existence of oil-clubs.

Just look how Leicester has operated in the same environment. Won FA cup + EPL with lot less resources than we had.

Issue has been that -
- we have become one-dimensional in our transfer strategy of late. We only want to buy young and promising players, mostly out of foreign leagues. Totally disregarding that in some situations paying reasonable amount for experienced, top-of-the-game pro, is very wise move. Look at Milner in Liverpool, look at Evans at Leicester, look at Pirlo in Juve.
- our scouting has not been up to task. Our analysis of players has been way off and you can see this just by looking at our top 3 most expensive players - Ndombele, Lo Celso and Sanchez. None of them has played even for 1/3rd of what was expected.
- and from other side the squad management has really become stale - we have badly failed to move on the players that don't cut it. We seem to want way too much and wait way too long before we can conclude deals - the way we managed Eriksen, Rose, Aurier and Vertonghen contract situations are criminal. Plus how we kept likes of Sissoko around for so long, it just baffles me. As I've explained, there is opportunity cost involved. We do waste salary money for him, but also by being quicker in understanding, we could get in someone else who would perform better! How long did we tried with Soldado before still admitting he is a failure and still moving him on for loss? How long were we trying whatever with N'ije and N'Koudou before still selling him for loss? Now we are doing the same thing with Doherty for example.
- and lastly, I think this involves all of those previous points - every single deal has been more finance focused rather than football focused. Club has not been run properly from playing squad perspective.

If those things would have been done differently, we could have done so much better, even without being competitive in terms of pure financials by oil-clubs.
 
I can't see how it makes a significant enough amount of money for the club though.
Like, the 2 boxers and their promotion companies are surely taking a large slice of that pie. Unless there's some kind of deal where Spurs get a % of the total fight revenue rather than it being based on tickets and pints for the night.
Do you think Spurs just let them use the stadium for pennies? Have you looked up what the arrangement is? How the contracts are handled?

If you haven't, how can you say the boxers and their promoters are taking a large slice? You've got no clue how much they're taking.

We have a publicly owned multipurpose facility near my home. It's state owned, but rented by the university for American football games. Based on my knowledge of those arrangements, I would venture to guess that Spurs arrangement is similar. The boxers likely get a larger cut of the media/PPV, while the host gets a larger cut of the ticket/concessions revenues. Our university gets the tv broadcast money from the games on TV, while the State (who owns the stadium) takes a large cut of the gate (through flat a rental fee that isn't dependent on attendance), they also keep the parking and concessions.

It's perfectly reasonable to question how these events help Spurs. If the info is out there, then just look it up to find out how it helps Spurs. But if you don't have the facts/info, then you have no basis to argue that it hurts Spurs. It's silly to just assume that the boxers/promoters are taking a huge cut, Spurs get crumbs, and because of that, the football team the stadium was built for, is suffering. Mental gymnastics that is.
 
Fair comment, although arguably he had a better sqaud than Nuno has and the shackles were off with Jose gone.

Neither were a solution. I don't know what the solution is. Even the best managers around would struggle with this squad, though if someone can get Son and Kane both firing together that can take you a fair way. But sacking Mourinho and then replacing him a few months later with ultimately a poor man's version of him was insanity at it's most brutal.
 
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