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Ex-Spurs Player Harry Kane

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NDomBadBoy said:
How does any of this have anything to do with scoring 5 goals in 25 apps against the big 4 teams since the 17/18 season?
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Is that an admission that your whole argument is predicated on almost nothing? In reality it was based on one fact taken at random with no context or consideration of what constitutes a world class striker?

M'Lord the defence rests ... we've just had the confession we were looking for.
 
The Outsider said:
Is that an admission that your whole argument is predicated on almost nothing? In reality it was based on one fact taken at random with no context or consideration of what constitutes a world class striker?

M'Lord the defence rests ... we've just had the confession we were looking for.
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LOL if you don't want to be considered a flat track bully, you've got to score at a decent rate against the biggest teams. In the PL, that's City, Utd, Liverpol. and Chelsea

5 goals doesn't stack up well.

Good thing we've got Son though - our one true world class player that still scores against top opposition.

:sonpoint:

Goals against the Premier League Big 4 since 18/19 season:
Son: 11 goals
Aubameyang: 10 goals
Salah*: 10 goals
Mane*: 9 goals
Rashford*: 9 goals
Vardy: 8 goals
Jiminez**: 7 goals
Calvert Lewin: 7 goals
Martial*: 7 goals
Richarlson: 7 goals
Lacazette: 6 goals
Sterling*: 6 goals
Firmino*: 5 goals
Ings: 5 goals
Kane: 5 goals
C Wilson: 3 goals
Jesus*: 2 goals
Wood: 2 goals

*Only includes games against 3 of the top 4 teams
**Jiminez missed the majority of last season due to head injury
 
Don Corleone said:
Kane is still a world class player and one of the best strikers on the planet. No ifs, no buts. It’s just a fact. Put him a team/squad actually capable of winning trophies like City for instance, you would see Harry score bucket loads and against the top teams regularly. The reason Spurs haven’t won trophies isn’t because of Harry Kane.
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But only 5 goals in 25 apps against the big 4 PL sides? He gets bullied like a rag doll by good defenders.

The definition of world class isn't being able to score against inferior opposition like Mura, Pacos, and average/relegation level PL sides. World class players perform at a high level regardless of who they're playing.

Now you could try and blame it on his teammates, but Son absolutely delivers at a much higher rate against the best/biggest teams while Kane does not.

Son has been our only elite player from 18/19 onwards.

Goals against the PL Big 4 since 18/19 season:
Son: 11 goals / 28 apps
Kane: 5 goals / 25 apps

****SON SCORED 5 GOALS IN 8 APPS WITHOUT KANE PLAYING AGAINST THESE 4*****
 
The Outsider said:
Prior to 2018/19 he had a total of 14 EPL assists over 5 seasons since then he's had 20 assists in just three seasons not a decline but in reality a rapid incline ...
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Ahh... yes... the 11 game purple patch he and Son had last season where Son was finishing everything and Kane had 11 assists and Son 11 goals.

Lets for the sake of argument, exclude that purple patch and see what his normalized playmaking looks like.

Excluding that 11 game purple patch, Kane has 10 assists in 99 apps which is more or less in line with his assist to apps ratio prior to 2018. That's a rate of 1 assist every 9.9 games. Tremendous, KDB like playmaking numbers...

:dembelelol:
 
The Outsider said:
Methinks NDomBellEnd doth protest too much ... destroyed by his own paper thin argument ... lol
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Don't get me wrong.

I still think Kane is great at scoring against inferior or average opposition. There's a use for that.

I just think he doesn't have the ability to compete and deliver against top defenses/defenders which is statistically in line with what he's done against top opposition since the 17/18 season.

He's sort of like Trump in that way. Bullies inferior candidates like Clinton but gets steamrolled by world class level politicians like OBama and Biden.

Joe Biden GIF
 
NDomBadBoy said:
Don't get me wrong.

I still think Kane is great at scoring against inferior or average opposition. There's a use for that.

I just think he doesn't have the ability to compete and deliver against top defenses/defenders which is statistically in line with what he's done against top opposition since the 17/18 season.

He's sort of like Trump in that way. Bullies inferior candidates like Clinton but gets steamrolled by world class level politicians like OBama and Biden.
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Oh dear - Kane is like Trump - what the feck are you smokin' now ...........
 
NDomBadBoy said:
But only 5 goals in 25 apps against the big 4 PL sides? He gets bullied like a rag doll by good defenders.

The definition of world class isn't being able to score against inferior opposition like Mura, Pacos, and average/relegation level PL sides. World class players perform at a high level regardless of who they're playing.

Now you could try and blame it on his teammates, but Son absolutely delivers at a much higher rate against the best/biggest teams while Kane does not.

Son has been our only elite player from 18/19 onwards.

Goals against the PL Big 4 since 18/19 season:
Son: 11 goals / 28 apps
Kane: 5 goals / 25 apps

****SON SCORED 5 GOALS IN 8 APPS WITHOUT KANE PLAYING AGAINST THESE 4*****
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There is reason behind Kane's drop of form and we all know why. It isn't a permanent damage like a serious injury. I still believe Kane can manage himself and return to form.

It is so satisfying to have Son to "cover" Kane.

Newcastle third goal is encouraging. Ndombele, Lucas, Kane, Son all involve in style. Our tactics in opening games this season have been very defensive. We adjusted and with the front four improving play, Kane will score goals. I believe he will.
 
ElTel said:
Kane has not delivered in finals, but neither have his teammates, in fact the CL final was completely down to Poch and the way he prepared the team and the players he selected, and the league cup final last season was completely fucked before the game even started because of Levy sacking the man who might have given us the chance of overcoming City on the day. Levy did the same back in 2001 when he sacked Graham before the Fa cup semi against Woolwich. I would have backed Graham to have found a way past Wenger.

I don't think you understand how much mediocrity our team currently has. We are so far away from the great team Poch had 2016-2018. Our best players from then have aged, been sold/left, no longer producing what they did then, and our recruitment to replace them has simply been shocking. Kane leaving will be the final nail in the coffin because as I said we will not adequately replace him or his goals.
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Such a long winded explanation. I’m not talking about the past failures.
You said it was virtually impossible for a new striker to reach Kane’s seasonal tallies.

My point was I do not care. I’d rather have a striker who scored less goals but who’s goals more often contributed to the success of the club as a whole and a few of them came in cup finals and big games at turning points in the season.

I know a few hysterical weirdos will only see the “less goals” part and cling to it like a rabid piranha fish, but I can’t help that.

People know the arguments against Kane are sound, which is why every counter argument is a distraction that doesn’t address what’s being said.
A bit like your post.
 
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Go on son said:
Youd be giving out hes regressing and not even able to score against weaker teams👍
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I’d say he was regressing if he was regressing.
It’s really that simple.

If a new striker scored 15 goals a season but 4 were against top 6 clubs and one won a cup
final, why would I care that he didn’t grab a brace against LASK?

Get over yourself, my views are about Kane, not blanket view of all players.

I’m fairly certain you’d swap a Carabou winning goal for a golden boot at this stage
 
TylerB said:
Yet he won the golden boot for the Premier League only some months back.
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How come nobody minds this being repeated 70 times, but if gets addressed again, then it’s a problem?

Please explain why nobody is ranting at Tyler saying this over and over again despite getting actual answers that clearly address why there is more to it?

Oh, is it because you don’t mind repetition if it looks favorable to Kane?

How very Russian this site has become

Another two big game goals for Salah last night to go with the 8 last season.
But yeah, Kane scored one more in the league so that’s all that matters…
 
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NDomBadBoy said:
But only 5 goals in 25 apps against the big 4 PL sides? He gets bullied like a rag doll by good defenders.

The definition of world class isn't being able to score against inferior opposition like Mura, Pacos, and average/relegation level PL sides. World class players perform at a high level regardless of who they're playing.

Now you could try and blame it on his teammates, but Son absolutely delivers at a much higher rate against the best/biggest teams while Kane does not.

Son has been our only elite player from 18/19 onwards.

Goals against the PL Big 4 since 18/19 season:
Son: 11 goals / 28 apps
Kane: 5 goals / 25 apps

****SON SCORED 5 GOALS IN 8 APPS WITHOUT KANE PLAYING AGAINST THESE 4*****
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But , he is world class. Higher level is scoring in big London derbies no ? Scored plenty of goals v Woolwich. In fact, he’s one of the highest ever goal scorers in that fixture. That’s a big game, which means he performs in big games. The only stat I need to worry about,

Goals: 167

Appearances: 252

Assists: 35

World class stats. You keep mentioning Son, who is doubting Son? We have 2 world class players in our team. Harry Kane and Hueng Min Son. We don’t have much else, hence why we rely far to heavily on these 2 and never win anything. Harry Kane is a world class striker and a world class footballer. I really don’t need stats saying he don’t score against the top 4 in recent years to sway my opinion. I have watched Harry for years with Spurs. He’s an elite striker and nothing you or Sammy can really say to prove otherwise mate
 
sammyspurs said:
Another two big game goals for Salah last night to go with the 8 last season.
But yeah, Kane scored one more in the league so that’s all that matters…
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Kane 65 games 41 goals for England ....

Salah 73 games 45 goals for Egypt ....

But hang on Salah scored all those goals against Niger, Togo, Chad and Comoros ... not once has he scored against a top ten international side ... so no BIG GAME international goals.

Does that mean Salah is shit? or simply that he can only score against the teams he plays?

Tottenham striker Harry Kane set a new record by taking just 24 games to reach 20 UEFA Champions League goals - but, but, but he can't do it against the big teams ......... try another line of bullshit.
 
The Outsider said:
Kane 65 games 41 goals for England ....

Salah 73 games 45 goals for Egypt ....

But hang on Salah scored all those goals against Niger, Togo, Chad and Comoros ... not once has he scored against a top ten international side ... so no BIG GAME international goals.

Does that mean Salah is shit? or simply that he can only score against the teams he plays?

Tottenham striker Harry Kane set a new record by taking just 24 games to reach 20 UEFA Champions League goals - but, but, but he can't do it against the big teams ......... try another line of bullshit.
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Do an apples to apples comparison then. Problem solved

Goals against the Premier League Big 4 since 18/19 season:
Son: 11 goals
Aubameyang: 10 goals
Salah*: 10 goals
Mane*: 9 goals
Rashford*: 9 goals
Vardy: 8 goals
Jiminez**: 7 goals
Calvert Lewin: 7 goals
Martial*: 7 goals
Richarlson: 7 goals
Lacazette: 6 goals
Sterling*: 6 goals
Firmino*: 5 goals
Ings: 5 goals
Kane: 5 goals
C Wilson: 3 goals
Jesus*: 2 goals
Wood: 2 goals

*Only includes games against 3 of the top 4 teams
**Jiminez missed the majority of last season due to head injury
 
NDomBadBoy said:
Do an apples to apples comparison then. Problem solved

Goals against the Premier League Big 4 since 18/19 season:
Son: 11 goals
Aubameyang: 10 goals
Salah*: 10 goals
Mane*: 9 goals
Rashford*: 9 goals
Vardy: 8 goals
Jiminez**: 7 goals
Calvert Lewin: 7 goals
Martial*: 7 goals
Richarlson: 7 goals
Lacazette: 6 goals
Sterling*: 6 goals
Firmino*: 5 goals
Ings: 5 goals
Kane: 5 goals
C Wilson: 3 goals
Jesus*: 2 goals
Wood: 2 goals

*Only includes games against 3 of the top 4 teams
**Jiminez missed the majority of last season due to head injury
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How much time do you have on your hands ?
Credit to you for the research, but it seems you wont alter any minds mate.
 
Don Corleone said:
But , he is world class. Higher level is scoring in big London derbies no ? Scored plenty of goals v Woolwich. In fact, he’s one of the highest ever goal scorers in that fixture. That’s a big game, which means he performs in big games. The only stat I need to worry about,

Goals: 167

Appearances: 252

Assists: 35

World class stats. You keep mentioning Son, who is doubting Son? We have 2 world class players in our team. Harry Kane and Hueng Min Son. We don’t have much else, hence why we rely far to heavily on these 2 and never win anything. Harry Kane is a world class striker and a world class footballer. I really don’t need stats saying he don’t score against the top 4 in recent years to sway my opinion. I have watched Harry for years with Spurs. He’s an elite striker and nothing you or Sammy can really say to prove otherwise mate
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For me personally, a world class striker needs to do it consistently against the biggest teams. That’s just my standards. Salah, Lewandowski, Messi, Mbappe, etc are all on another level. Both statistics and the eye test will tell you that’s the case. Kane is not on that level and has not been for quite some time in my opinion.

I hope Kane does prove me wrong and bangs in 5 goals against the big 4 PL clubs this season. Maybe then we will have a chance at breaking into the top 4.

We are going to keep being a top 5-8 team if we can’t beat these sides hence Kane needs to step up. If only Son is delivering against those sides on a consistent basis, we aren’t going to get to where we ultimately want to be.
 
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