Anyone slightly concerned that we might be so shit that Conte might fuck off? 
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Manager Antonio Conte
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Anyone slightly concerned that we might be so shit that Conte might fuck off?
It's about as certain as the sun coming up. Jut hoping he doesn't fuck off before the next time the sun does come up
Conte needs time. Wasn't expecting much past few games.
First take is to get Son/Kane firing again. Because if we do that then we're already far far better.
However, some of these players. They lack motivation to play for this club and they also lack ability. Yesterday despite it being ' the best XI -ish' there were some displays that were far below par technically. They all tried - Yes. But some of the crossing , passing , awareness was not good enough. These are meant to be high end professionals.
First take is to get Son/Kane firing again. Because if we do that then we're already far far better.
However, some of these players. They lack motivation to play for this club and they also lack ability. Yesterday despite it being ' the best XI -ish' there were some displays that were far below par technically. They all tried - Yes. But some of the crossing , passing , awareness was not good enough. These are meant to be high end professionals.
I don't get what you are critising.
You say that Conte needs time but here you are complaining 2nd game in (and after only 2 training sessions in).
You complain about motivation but then say that all the players tried.
The words used over and over and over again to describe Conte's football are "patterns", that his teams are meticulously drilled so that they all know what to do in certain situations (other managers that are described as doing this are Poch, Klopp, Pep to name just 3 well known to us). These patterns were in an embryonic phase vs Everton, they were basic but they were there in abundance with WB's pushed up high with Davies (or Skipp) given instruction to underlap on the left, attempting to draw Everton towards their right flank (our left), which leaves our right flank (Emerson) open and with space. This also opens up crossing chances for Reggie or switch play to Emerson or playback or around the corner to the underlapped Skipp or Davies for them to play that switch out to Emerson.
Another pattern was for Kane to drop into half-space (left) to feed Emerson, Son, Lucas, or PEH with Verticle transitions from Midfield.
All of this was attempted yesterday, the final pass didn't work because they've not had time to get the timing of this right e.g Reggie crosses too early or he might have crossed just as Conte wanted but it was Kane, Son, Lucas, Emerson not starting their runs early enough. the result is the cross doesn't find a Spurs shirt.
Another way to look at this is De Bruyne for City will hit numerous crosses into the back post every single game, he doesn't even look up because the pattern is drilled for player 'x' to make that run to the back post as soon as he receives the ball, they know it's coming. It looks like a shit ball in if nobody makes that run to the back post though.
In time these moves should be automatic as everyone in sync with each other.
But as you state. This takes time. Until then there really isn't much to say, other than recognising that these patterns are being attempted.
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My criticism of ydays gane was that rather than focus on tactics and patterns of play he should have each player in the match day squad a rocket up their arses and got them pumped up to give it a go against a very poor Everton side. Remember they had lost last 3 games and an early goal for us would have got the crowd on their backs. Think we let them off the hook by playing so slow at the back and not moving the ball forward quick enough. Also i though starting 11 played Thursday he may have freshened it up a bit with some more attacking players. May be dropped Lucas and skipp/PEH. We were quiet defensive in our line up.
Iv thought this but i also think he’ll just use this as an 18 month stop gap and bag himself 25M+ In the bank.Anyone slightly concerned that we might be so shit that Conte might fuck off?
I am pro-Paratici but you can’t pretend like Beppe Marotta doesn’t exist.
Paratici was wildly successful at Juve’s chief scout and deal hunter. When Marotta left and he was promoted to the man in charge, they still had success but Paratici displayed a bit too much of an appetite for the galaxy-brained scheme in the transfer market and pushed out Max Allegri for no good reason
Although on that game, that penalty decision was the most borderline I've ever seen and if it had went against us at home I'm almost positive the majority of the stadium would be absolutely ripping because in real time the touch is so slight and a complete millisecond before hitting Richarlison.
Reguilon (who was complete dogshit the whole match) caused that by being out-muscled a bit by (20 year old) Anthony Gordon, who despite being a young player I rate, didn't have the best game (Playing style reminds me of Anderton a bit).
Reguilon (who was complete dogshit the whole match) caused that by being out-muscled a bit by (20 year old) Anthony Gordon, who despite being a young player I rate, didn't have the best game (Playing style reminds me of Anderton a bit).
.......Which is what?
Most notably and negatively paying way above market wages for free transfers like Ramsey and Rabiot on the theory that they were still cheaper than alternative transfer purchases due to the lack of fee.
Surprise surprise, those fat contracts immediately become un-movable and those players are available on frees for a reason.
The Artur-Pjanic deal was also a very shady FFP dodging labyrinth that ultimately didn’t really come off on the field, though perhaps it helped the books.
It seems crystal clear to me that Paratici’s eye for unusual and creative player movement tricks attracted Levy’s admiration.
Creativity is good, but you need real wisdom to avoid being (stop me if you’ve heard this one before) penny wise but pound foolish.
Ah, ok.... I was aware of this stuff just not so clear what "the galaxy-brained scheme" generally meant.... Still not tbh.
Oh, does the UK not have the galaxy brain meme?
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I am more confused...Oh, does the UK not have the galaxy brain meme?
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Do you just mean he is overthinking it? Too clever for his own good?
Yeah, both.I am more confused...
Do you just mean he is overthinking it? Too clever for his own good?
Superficially clever and “innovative” moves that do not in fact advance the football club’s competitive objectives and contain under-considered downsides. I think Paratici was guilty of that on multiple occasions at Juve and I fear Levy saw those things as features rather than bugs.
But as I said I’m pro-Paratici nonetheless and the reason why is that he is a trained and experienced pro football scout and transfer dealer which is the correct qualification for the role, and in an era where these deals get ever more agent-y and cloak and dagger, Paratici is a high-level operator in that world.
This is a guy you want in your corner. Be a little leery of giving him absolute independence over all decisions, but with Levy in one ear and Conte in the other, Paratici having TOO MUCH control is a silly thing to be worried about.
You saw what happened against Vitesse, I trust? After 30 mins we were knackered and they were running circles around us. Yet you are implying we should have used the same tactics against Everton, a team that is much stronger than Vitesse? After already having run ourselves to the ground less than 3 days before?
And yes, I'm sure Conte could have freshened things up a bit, but he didn't. And I'm pretty sure there was a good reason for that, one that neither you or I are qualified to even guess on.
Well we don’t know why but you are saying we could all see we were knackered after 30 mins v VA. Although I didn’t think we looked knackered tbh yday just played very slow. We showed pace at times on the break but then our quality let us down. I’m just saying may be a bit more intent to attack and play at least one of gio or tangay from the start. At least we may have had a bit more quality in the final third when we did attack.
You see how mentally fragile the team is when conceding a goal, especially this year. You don't want to put them in that kind of situation and deal a further blow to their confidence. So I think the intent yesterday was to first be solid at the back and not concede. Add to that the fact that the fitness levels to chase a game from behind just aren't there, especially after the midweek effort, and this makes even more sense. So you pick your spots when to attack, because you simply can't go at them wave after wave. Which means you're not going to create that many chances. You gamble that the fewer chances you will create might pay off (and we did have a couple of great ones with Reggie and Royal), but even if they don't, at least you haven't lost the game.
I know it's not the way we want to see the team play, but for now I don't think there's much of an alternative. Once fitness improves and the tactics start getting more ingrained into players' heads, I'm sure we will see a different approach. This is going to take some time, but I did like what I saw yesterday. There was solidity at the back and intent going forward. It was not exhilarating, but it still was quite a change from the negative football we have been playing.
If Conte can get us into the top 4 next season, that'll be one of the finest achievements by any manager in the history of football.
We're utterly shit, while there are 4 world class teams in the PL who are spending hundreds of millions to improve every year.
We're utterly shit, while there are 4 world class teams in the PL who are spending hundreds of millions to improve every year.
For far too long we have been playing scared. Our mentality when we have the ball is to be prepared for when we lose it.
Many criticise our wingers and full backs for not creating enough. However, go watch the highlights of our games and you will see that whenever we get into a crossing opportunity, there is nobody in the 18 yard box to attack it. In contrast, Liverpool flood the box with players and often have 4 or 5 players in the box.
If we really intend to play 3 CBs and 2 defensive midfielders then the other 5 players MUST commit to the attack and get forward.
Many criticise our wingers and full backs for not creating enough. However, go watch the highlights of our games and you will see that whenever we get into a crossing opportunity, there is nobody in the 18 yard box to attack it. In contrast, Liverpool flood the box with players and often have 4 or 5 players in the box.
If we really intend to play 3 CBs and 2 defensive midfielders then the other 5 players MUST commit to the attack and get forward.