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Transfers January 2022 - Transfer Window

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TheSpurEst said:
Absolutely agreed. We need attacking players. And someone to play among front 3.

But such player should be able to score and assist. What we don't need is a player that has played 14 games and provided 0 assists and scored 0 goals. The same player that contributed 0+1 within 28 (!!!) rounds of EPL football last year.

Taking him would mean -
- we take him instead of someone else... You Know someone who can score or create
- we will take obligation of paying him decent wages for years
- also takes up foreign player spot

Would be colossal mistake to take him.

I assumed that ppl who advocated his signing in summer would be ashamed of such suggestion, but apparently some ppl have no shame... Or understanding of what decent forward should be able to do.
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Victor Moses says hi.

You're judging Traore based on the system he's playing in now. In Conte's system he could be a completely different player. I would take him in a heartbeat.
 
Get in! said:
Victor Moses says hi.

You're judging Traore based on the system he's playing in now. In Conte's system he could be a completely different player. I would take him in a heartbeat.
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I am judging Traore based on his ability and skillset.
Which is lacking.

He has attributes that are impressive - he is very fast, he is extremely strong - obviously one of the strongest players in EPL, he can dribble. But these are attributes. In isolation they are worth very little, even if they are pleasing to an eye.

After having shouldered someone off the ball, dribbled past another and running past 3rd player you still have to be able to:
- see surroundings
- make correct decision while continuously moving fast with the ball
- execute the decision you took correctly

He has issues with last 2 points. And he is already player in his prime age. He will be 26 soon. Those are very important skills that fully developed players very rarely develop. Almost never.

So buying him for large sum of money and giving him long contract with high wages would be bad decision. He would be an upgrade on Bergwijn but not even on Moura based on both of them have played this season. And we should not ship out massive amounts for player that would not improve our first XI
 
Raumdeuterz said:
Decision making can be coached or a role can be found in which his skillset is amplified and weaknesses hidden. I gave the example of Mousa Dembele who was an excellent dribbler with a fantastic physical skillset but made bad decisions in the final third and couldn't strike a ball. Spurs found a role for him and he flourished. Players who have exceptional abilities but lack in several areas can be useful in specific roles, I believe Conte is a manager capable of finding said role.

It doesn't, but the point was that he was trained in La Masia, he isn't a kick and run player, his technical ability is solid. People portray him as someone who has zero technical ability when he isn't, he keeps the ball close to feet even when accelerating at full speed. That combination of technique, speed and physical strength makes him a nightmare for defenders.

He's not just fast, he's the fastest in world football, has incredible balance and strength, is a brilliant dribbler and his fundamental technical ability is solid. And maybe he won't repeat it, but for 20-30m I say the risk is worth taking, and at worst we get an impactful squad player. So many of you would never have taken Dembele due to end product. Adama has been described as 'undefendable' by managers like Klopp, he offers something, especially in big games vs pressing sides.

As I've said - if the latest reports are true and we want him, then Conte will have to give the nod. I trust his judgement and if he believes he can do something with him, then I'd be excited. Some of you get way too fucking free with the disagrees because someone has a different view on a player. We can't get ready made worldies so at 20/30m on a player with talent I see it as worth a fucking try.
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I don't try to say he is technically poor.
But his decisionmaking and execution of the decisions are. It is extremely rare that player who will very soon turn 26 will see some massive improvement in those areas. I would feel this "but he has talent x and y, we can develop him" would fit much better for actually young and upcoming player. Not someone who has had good season, value pushed up and then has not been able to replicate even half of it in following 2 seasons.

What considers "disagrees" - I just have few very strong opinions. I don't "disagree" with every point I cannot get on board with. Just the issue of overrating fast and strong wingers with no end product is something that really annoys me. How this dimension is so overrated and focused on.
 
Raumdeuterz said:
Decision making can be coached or a role can be found in which his skillset is amplified and weaknesses hidden. I gave the example of Mousa Dembele who was an excellent dribbler with a fantastic physical skillset but made bad decisions in the final third and couldn't strike a ball. Spurs found a role for him and he flourished. Players who have exceptional abilities but lack in several areas can be useful in specific roles, I believe Conte is a manager capable of finding said role.

It doesn't, but the point was that he was trained in La Masia, he isn't a kick and run player, his technical ability is solid. People portray him as someone who has zero technical ability when he isn't, he keeps the ball close to feet even when accelerating at full speed. That combination of technique, speed and physical strength makes him a nightmare for defenders.

He's not just fast, he's the fastest in world football, has incredible balance and strength, is a brilliant dribbler and his fundamental technical ability is solid. And maybe he won't repeat it, but for 20-30m I say the risk is worth taking, and at worst we get an impactful squad player. So many of you would never have taken Dembele due to end product. Adama has been described as 'undefendable' by managers like Klopp, he offers something, especially in big games vs pressing sides.

As I've said - if the latest reports are true and we want him, then Conte will have to give the nod. I trust his judgement and if he believes he can do something with him, then I'd be excited. Some of you get way too fucking free with the disagrees because someone has a different view on a player. We can't get ready made worldies so at 20/30m on a player with talent I see it as worth a fucking try.
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100% this. As a RWB in a Conte side he will be devastating. And it's not always about the end product, but also about pulling the opposition out of shape and allowing the other attacking players more space and passing lanes.
 
TheSpurEst said:
I am judging Traore based on his ability and skillset.
Which is lacking.

He has attributes that are impressive - he is very fast, he is extremely strong - obviously one of the strongest players in EPL, he can dribble. But these are attributes. In isolation they are worth very little, even if they are pleasing to an eye.

After having shouldered someone off the ball, dribbled past another and running past 3rd player you still have to be able to:
- see surroundings
- make correct decision while continuously moving fast with the ball
- execute the decision you took correctly

He has issues with last 2 points. And he is already player in his prime age. He will be 26 soon. Those are very important skills that fully developed players very rarely develop. Almost never.

So buying him for large sum of money and giving him long contract with high wages would be bad decision. He would be an upgrade on Bergwijn but not even on Moura based on both of them have played this season. And we should not ship out massive amounts for player that would not improve our first XI
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I don't think there's a problem with his execution, but we can debate that till the cows come home. As far s making the correct decision, Conte's system makes the decision making much easier, because every player has a specific role and specific routines to follow in a match. He doesn't need to be "creative." He just needs to wreak havoc on the right (which he can easily do) and drop off the ball to a more skilled player who will have a disjointed opposition defense (thanks to Traore) to work with.
 
Get in! said:
I don't think there's a problem with his execution, but we can debate that till the cows come home. As far s making the correct decision, Conte's system makes the decision making much easier, because every player has a specific role and specific routines to follow in a match. He doesn't need to be "creative." He just needs to wreak havoc on the right (which he can easily do) and drop off the ball to a more skilled player who will have a disjointed opposition defense (thanks to Traore) to work with.
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You're making good points about Adama- I just think there are superior options.
Lamptey and Livramento at RWB, Raphinha at RW.
 
Get in! said:
Victor Moses says hi.

You're judging Traore based on the system he's playing in now. In Conte's system he could be a completely different player. I would take him in a heartbeat.
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Traore... come on man. He latched on to a long ball on Saturday, split the defenders, had a man making a run in the box, and then over cooked the pass so badly that the keeper didn't have to move. He's all style and no end product. ZERO goals and ZERO assists in 14 PL matches this season.
 
Get in! said:
For £50m, I agree. But I think the price will be closer to £30m, at which point it's a no-brainer. Adama will be a beast in a Conte system.
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Reasonable but even then I think you can get a ready made right sided player with more upside and a better fit for Conte's system for the same price.

How much is Lamptey going to cost for example?
 
Get in! said:
For £50m, I agree. But I think the price will be closer to £30m, at which point it's a no-brainer. Adama will be a beast in a Conte system.
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Ah, so it was Traore you guys were talking about. :rolleyes:
Not having a pop but there was a discussion between 3 posters over 2 or 3 pages and the name of the player you were talking about wasn't mentioned!
They were all well written and intelligent posts.
 
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