Ex-Spurs Player Harry Kane

coughymachine · 23 Dec 2021

Datzlo said:
In fact, our xG was only 3.4 according to one source. Understat here says we only had 2.8: Tottenham 2 - 2 Liverpool (December 19 2021) | EPL | 2021/2022 | xG | Understat.com

Again, since we scored 2, which chances make up the rest of our expected goals?

FWIW, Understat goes some way towards answering that question. Here's a breakdown of the 10 efforts that made up our 2.8 xG:

1 Sanchez header, saved, 0.09 xG
1 Dele shot, saved, 0.46 xG
1 Son shot, goal, 0.31 xG
1 Son shot, missed, 0.59 xG
1 Kane shot, saved, 0.06 xG
1 Kane shot, saved, 0.47 xG (from Dele's pass)
1 Kane header, missed, 0.48 xG
1 Kane shot, blocked, 0.10 xG
1 Kane shot, blocked, 0.10 xG (not a duplicate)
1 Kane shot, goal, 0.12 xG

Datzlo · 23 Dec 2021

coughymachine said:
FWIW, Understat goes some way towards answering that question. Here's a breakdown of the 10 efforts that made up our 2.8 xG:

1 Sanchez header, saved, 0.09 xG
1 Dele shot, saved, 0.46 xG
1 Son shot, goal, 0.31 xG
1 Son shot, missed, 0.59 xG
1 Kane shot, saved, 0.06 xG
1 Kane shot, saved, 0.47 xG (from Dele's pass)
1 Kane header, missed, 0.48 xG
1 Kane shot, blocked, 0.10 xG
1 Kane shot, blocked, 0.10 xG (not a duplicate)
1 Kane shot, goal, 0.12 xG

Fair play. I still think it's a lot of arbitrary nonsense, but that does explain how that website thinks our chances should be calculated.

Datzlo · 23 Dec 2021

sammyspurs said:
Kane got a shot off, he wasn’t smothered. It was a one handed save due to him trying to chip the keeper.

...because the world class keeper smothered it. I'm glad we had this little jaunt down Logic Lane.

Datzlo · 23 Dec 2021

sammyspurs said:
Wrong how?
What’s my opinion?

That Kane is now so shit that we need to get rid of him and anyone who still thinks that the Golden Boot winner of 6 months ago might still be in there is just a cultist.

Did I miss anything?

sammyspurs said:
Yes their were

No they weren't. The square ball from Dele was botched and smothered by the keeper, the header attempt was a ball which flew at his head before he could leap to keep his shot down, and you still haven't told me which one was the 3rd occasion. Is there a minute i should look for in the footage?

Simply stating something and backing it up with arguments are two different things.

sammyspurs · 23 Dec 2021

Datzlo said:
...because the world class keeper smothered it. I'm glad we had this little jaunt down Logic Lane.

Ok I get it, a world class striker would have scored even though the keeper is world class, but an average one can’t deal with a slightly off pass and gave the keeper time to recover himself by pausing and going for a chip.

The worst option he could have chosen

You’re not actually making a case for Kane here despite thinking you are

sammyspurs · 23 Dec 2021

Datzlo said:
That Kane is now so shit that we need to get rid of him and anyone who still thinks that the Golden Boot winner of 6 months ago might still be in there is just a cultist.

Did I miss anything?

Yeah you missed some stuff:
My opinion is that we have P37 W21 D7 L9 without Kane since 2016

My opinion is that Kane doesn’t score regularly against the big teams

My opinion is that Kane scored 18 goals of 23 against the bottom 12 and zero against a team that sat in the top 4 going into the game

My opinion is that he has two goals against a team that sat top 4 since October 2019

My opinion is that Kane has the same amount of PL goals as Hojberg at Christmas

My opinion is that Kane needs to drop deep to accommodate his lack of physical attributes

My opinion is that Kane’s fitness won’t be what it was when he was 24 therefore his game won’t recover to those levels

My opinion is Kane should be dropped for certain games and/or subbed

My opinion is we need a first team high quality striker in January

My opinion is that Kane has never won or scored or played well in 4 finals for club or country

Let me know what you disagree with

Datzlo · 23 Dec 2021

sammyspurs said:
Ok I get it, a world class striker would have scored even though the keeper is world class, but an average one can’t deal with a slightly off pass and gave the keeper time to recover himself by pausing and going for a chip.
The worst option he could have chosen

You're right. He should have exercised his option to use magic and make the ball simply pass through the body of a 6'3" world class keeper.

:pocheyes:

sammyspurs · 23 Dec 2021

Datzlo said:
You're right. He should have exercised his option to use magic and make the ball simply pass through the body of a 6'3" world class keeper.

Doesn’t need to pass through the keeper if he hit it at the goal and not towards Allison

You do realise it was saved 30cm off the ground with an outstretched arm right

Datzlo · 23 Dec 2021

sammyspurs said:
Yeah you missed some stuff:
My opinion is that we have P37 W21 D7 L9 without Kane since 2016

Who cares?

sammyspurs said:
My opinion is that Kane doesn’t score regularly against the big teams

Despite him being quite prolific at doing so when he wasn't used as our only goal threat alongside Son, making it easy for 'big' defenses to contain him.

sammyspurs said:
My opinion is that Kane scored 18 goals of 23 against the bottom 12 and zero against a team that sat in the top 4 going into the game

Again, who cares? It's been pointed out a hundred times that our tactics and squad depth was nowhere near up to scratch with the top teams. You're the only one who blames Kane for this.

sammyspurs said:
My opinion is that Kane needs to drop deep to accommodate his lack of physical attributes

This still isn't updating the fact that you think last season's Golden Boot winner and top assister, with a great showing in Euro 2020 is somehow 'past it'.

sammyspurs said:
My opinion is that Kane’s fitness won’t be what it was when he was 24 therefore his game won’t recover to those levels

Thankfully though, like most players entering their prime years, his technical qualities have been preserved quite nicely.

sammyspurs said:
My opinion is Kane should be dropped for certain games and/or subbed

That's not what you've argued, or else everyone on this forum would agree with you instead of huge numbers blocking you.

sammyspurs said:
My opinion is we need a first team high quality striker in January

Which isn't really relevant to Kane's quality other than helping relieve his burden so he can get back to his best.

sammyspurs said:
My opinion is that Kane has never won or scored or played well in 4 finals for club or country

The CL final he was coming off injury and in every other one you can point to tactics as a major problem.

sammyspurs said:
Let me know what you disagree with

The idea that you've contradicted what I said about your opinion. You still think he's shit and needs to be gotten rid of, no?

Don't try and sugarcoat it with the same arguments that multiple posters have debunked a dozen times.

Deuterz · 23 Dec 2021

Played perfectly OK - held the ball up well, put in a solid shift, and laid off a golden chance to a teammate. But he didn't do 10 sprints in the game, or dribble past 3-4 players, so that means he was shit and a slug, because having a player who sits a little deeper and plays a different role definitely doesn't help out the faster players, especially when he's playing them through on goal.

Conte seems to be happy with him and that's all I care about, really. Never subs him off and never doesn't start him. The manager knows his value and what he's offering this team, even if the fans who have suddenly decided they hate the player can't see it.

Datzlo · 23 Dec 2021

sammyspurs said:
Doesn’t need to pass through the keeper if he hit it at the goal and not towards Allison

Bit hard to do that when the keeper puts himself in between the ball and the goal to smother the chance because the pass was botched.

Round and round we go...

sammyspurs said:
You do realise it was saved 30cm off the ground with an outstretched arm right

Yes. That's because the keeper was given the chance to smother the opportunity thanks to the pass being botched.

:wanyama:

sammyspurs · 23 Dec 2021

Datzlo said:
Bit hard to do that when the keeper puts himself in between the ball and the goal to smother the chance because the pass was botched.

Round and round we go...

Yes. That's because the keeper was given the chance to smother the opportunity thanks to the pass being botched.

How amazing some teams have goal keepers

Datzlo · 23 Dec 2021

sammyspurs said:
How amazing some teams have goal keepers

More to the point: EVERY team has a goalkeeper, and the one who smothered the chance because of the botched pass is a world class one.

:contethumb:

Yes, it's quite possible that Kane would still have found a way to put that shot past an Albanian keeper who didn't react the right way to smother the chance, but it was instead Alisson Becker.

Datzlo · 23 Dec 2021

sammyspurs said:
Anyone that doesn’t rate Kane over the club

Only a fuckwit would think that selling the best striker we've had since Greaves on the basis of a 6 month lull is acting in the best interests of the club.

You really need to get the fuck over yourself, mate. You're not a custodian of THFC's future.

Deuterz · 23 Dec 2021

sammyspurs said:
Anyone that doesn’t rate Kane over the club

It’s amazing that none of Jose, Nuno, Conte or Poch seem to give a fuck about it either, and start him at every given opportunity.

Certainly all these football managers seem to think we’re better off with Kane in this side, I guess they all suck big time at identifying decent footballers.

sammyspurs · 23 Dec 2021

Datzlo said:
The CL final he was coming off injury and in every other one you can point to tactics as a major problem.

You could, or you could stop lying to yourself and admit Kane isn’t as good as you think he is in the biggest games

Datzlo said:
The idea that you've contradicted what I said about your opinion. You still think he's shit and needs to be gotten rid of, no?

Don't try and sugarcoat it with the same arguments that multiple posters have debunked a dozen times.

So you agree with everything I wrote there, as I knew you would

sammyspurs · 23 Dec 2021

Raumdeuterz said:
It’s amazing that none of Jose, Nuno, Conte or Poch seem to give a fuck about it either, and start him at every given opportunity.

Certainly all these football managers seem to think we’re better off with Kane in this side, I guess they all suck big time at identifying decent footballers.

Yeah, Jose Nuno and Poch got sacked and Nuno will buy Vlahovic

sammyspurs · 23 Dec 2021

Datzlo said:
Only a fuckwit would think that selling the best striker we've had since Greaves on the basis of a 6 month lull is acting in the best interests of the club.

You really need to get the fuck over yourself, mate. You're not a custodian of THFC's future.

Anyone that doesn’t rate Kane over the club should care as it’s a wonderful achievement for a team widely billed as the Harry Kane team.

Clueless pundits I understand but our fans perpetuating this dross it’s just astonishing really.
And when they find out that not playing Kane doesn’t affect us, it’s “who cares” and keep on peddling a myth despite being shown it’s not true

Datzlo · 23 Dec 2021

sammyspurs said:
You could, or you could stop lying to yourself and admit Kane isn’t as good as you think he is in the biggest games

You should stop lying to yourself that you're not simply a bloke on the internet whose best argument against Kane is that he didn't win you the League Cup against the best teams in the land.

sammyspurs said:
So you agree with everything I wrote there, as I knew you would

:contelol:

Deuterz · 23 Dec 2021

sammyspurs said:
Yeah, Jose Nuno and Poch got sacked and Nuno will buy Vlahovic

You realise 99% of managers get sacked at some point, right? It doesn’t make them bad managers. I don’t like Jose but he still obviously knows a great footballer when he sees one, Poch has ended up at PSG. Nuno wasn’t good enough but he’s still competent enough to spot a good footballer.

And maybe he will, and maybe when he does he will still play Kane at every opportunity he can, that’s just speculation. Actual facts right now are that Kane plays every minute under him, and I know for a fact that boils your piss.

You were expecting Conte to drop him and feel the same way you do, weren’t you? Admit it.

Ex-Spurs Player Harry Kane

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