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Manager Antonio Conte

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Zest said:
Kane in good form, need a target I guess.

5 League Titles in last 7 full seasons at clubs, wasn't it? Yet he's our issue...

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Who can’t win titles spending a billion pounds?

Give Ryan Mason hundreds of millions to spend and we will win something.

Not really that impressive.
 
Zest said:
Do you remember this point, in Poch's first season (where he had pre-season to get his philosophy and mentality embedded into the squad, plus Kane at 21, Eriksen prime, Dembele prime, Vertonghen prime.

Yet, poch struggled and wobbled, until Mason belted one in and young fighting for it players in the squad took the open places.

Conte, IMO, is performing epic stuff, that's how bad our players are relative to his needs (he clearly told Levy this, hence the Italian interview where he announced 'the club has changed it's ambition' after we signed 2 letting 4 go)...
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Conte is performing epic stuff?

What are you smoking. We’ve been knocked out of the FA Cup by lower tier opposition for the first time in a decade and have lost at home to Wolves and Southampton and at Burnley in the past few weeks.
 
KaneDomBadBoy said:
Who can’t win titles spending a billion pounds?
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The net spend, Vs squad value upon departure, looks frankly epic under Conte.

You need some football glasses mate. Levy hate for getting us a coach who could muster a snail to sprint, but not backing him meaningfully, just as most top 4 peers were floundering in January...

No, no, it's Conte fault he can't turn £25M Royale into a worldie, or Winks/Hojbjerg into a decent CM...

Gimme a break.
 
KaneDomBadBoy said:
Who can’t win titles spending a billion pounds?

Give Ryan Mason hundreds of millions to spend and we will win something.

Not really that impressive.
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He hasn't spent a billion or even near it at any of his clubs, so let's get real here. Took Juventus from a struggling position to by far the most dominant side in Serie A, and Inter from 3rd to now being the best in Italy. Both those clubs he setup well for even after he left. Go check the actual spend at both, it really isn't anything outrageous.

And it's easy to win a league at Chelsea? Tell that to all their managers since Conte. We have a lot of room to talk about Conte's mistakes at Spurs so far and where we can improve, but this attempt to discredit his previous work isn't sticking. No coaches win leagues in top tier leagues without lots of money so these hyper successful low spending managers are a mirage. Teams don't win without investment. Period.
 
Distaste for scouse said:
When he switched to 4-2-4 for 20 minutes yesterday we got absolutely battered and they could have scored 2-3 in that 20 minute period before we reverted back
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Yeah I think we also looked more threatening. Bergwijn should have scored if only he could use his left foot. Son had a decent header at the end of 90.

It's a balancing act.

I think the players have got so used to 5 defenders and 2 DM in front. They will shit themselves moving to 4231.

Poch had the balance right, but he also had someone like Dier who could step into midfield or step back into a 3.

As someone said here, rather lose going for it than cower and lose defending. This argument was chucked out so often when Jose was manager.

Nothing ventured, nothing gained and all that...
 
Raumdeuterz said:
He hasn't spent a billion or even near it at any of his clubs, so let's get real here. Took Juventus from a struggling position to by far the most dominant side in Serie A, and Inter from 3rd to now being the best in Italy. Both those clubs he setup well for even after he left. Go check the actual spend at both, it really isn't anything outrageous.

And it's easy to win a league at Chelsea? Tell that to all their managers since Conte. We have a lot of room to talk about Conte's mistakes at Spurs so far and where we can improve, but this attempt to discredit his previous work isn't sticking. No coaches win leagues in top tier leagues without lots of money so these hyper successful low spending managers are a mirage. Teams don't win without investment. Period.
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Chelsea just won the Champions League…

What Poch did during his time with us is much more of an accomplishment than what Conte did at those clubs. You’re talking about Chelsea, Juve and Inter who have a track record of winning trophies year after year.
 
KaneDomBadBoy said:
Chelsea just won the Champions League…

What Poch did during his time with us is much more of an accomplishment than what Conte did at those clubs. You’re talking about Chelsea, Juve and Inter who have a track record of winning trophies year after year.
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Cup tournament. Impressive as hell but league shows consistency over a season. I've watched a weak Chelsea under Di Matteo lift a CL. If winning the league was a simple task then an excellent manager in Tuchel wouldn't be not even close.

Subjective. More impressive in some ways but also came with a lot less pressure. We had some very good players under Pochettino, lineup wise at least a comparable team to what Conte had at Chelsea, if not better. I love Poch but if succeeding at a smaller club = winning titles easily elsewhere, his PSG side would be a lot more impressive.

Juventus were in a bad state when he took over so not winning trophies year after year. Inter were coming off the back of a desolate run trophies wise and not a single league since 2010. He transformed those teams.
 
Shotgunofmichalebrow said:
If he leaves give Gallardo a four year deal. Let him buy young hungry players sell Kane and Son and try to get lightning to strike twice.
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If he leaves, it means that we're fucked, and no matter who comes, will never succeed simply because of what we value as a club. If winners like José and Conte hate the way that we do things, it's because of us (the ownership), not them.
 
Raumdeuterz said:
Cup tournament. Impressive as hell but league shows consistency over a season. I've watched a weak Chelsea under Di Matteo lift a CL. If winning the league was a simple task then an excellent manager in Tuchel wouldn't be not even close.

Subjective. More impressive in some ways but also came with a lot less pressure. We had some very good players under Pochettino, lineup wise at least a comparable team to what Conte had at Chelsea, if not better. I love Poch but if succeeding at a smaller club = winning titles easily elsewhere, his PSG side would be a lot more impressive.

Juventus were in a bad state when he took over so not winning trophies year after year. Inter were coming off the back of a desolate run trophies wise and not a single league since 2010. He transformed those teams.
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Meh. He's failed at smaller clubs but of course, lets not talk about them.

Juve had a 1 subpar season just before Conte joined but otherwise a storied franchise and top 2/3 contender almost every year before Conte joined.

Chelsea won the PL a year before Conte joined.

From what I've seen, he's not much different from the likes of Nuno, Jose, Mason etc. I think he might actually be worse in a lot of ways playing a wingback system when we have no wingbacks. Then playing Son/Kulu like AM/holdings mids and sitting back against Brough like they're Man City...?

He's no tactical genius mate.
 
KaneDomBadBoy said:
Meh. He's failed at smaller clubs but of course, lets not talk about them.

Juve had a 1 subpar season just before Conte joined but otherwise a storied franchise and top 2/3 contender almost every year before Conte joined.

Chelsea won the PL a year before Conte joined.

From what I've seen, he's not much different from the likes of Nuno, Jose, Mason etc. I think he might actually be worse in a lot of ways playing a wingback system when we have no wingbacks. Then playing Son/Kulu like AM/holdings mids and sitting back against Brough like they're Man City...?

He's no tactical genius mate.
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Yeah, when his career was starting out. Then he had 3 straight successful jobs at top tier clubs after getting Siena promoted.

They were well off the pace. Hadn't won the league since Calciopoli. He took them from that to by far the most dominant team in Italy. Write it off as an accomplishment if you like, but it would be as if you pretended winning a league at United was easy just because they're a big club, if this was true so many wouldn't have failed.

And haven't won it since he left. If it was easy, they'd be doing it most years. Winning titles in England isn't easy just because you have money.

He might not be a 'tactical genius' but he's a brilliant coach with a brilliant record who consistently gets his teams playing at a high level. You're writing him off and discrediting his career based on a few months at Spurs, it's pure folly. We're a fucking graveyard for managers.
 
KaneDomBadBoy said:
From what I've seen, he's not much different from the likes of Nuno, Jose, Mason etc. I think he might actually be worse in a lot of ways playing a wingback system when we have no wingbacks. Then playing Son/Kulu like AM/holdings mids and sitting back against Brough like they're Man City...?

He's no tactical genius mate.
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It's more complicated than this though.

Our squad wasn't suited to Conte when he took over; partly because our creative midfielders such as Ndombele and Lo Celso weren't hard working enough for Conte's vision.
So it made sense to send them out on loan, but we then didn't bring in the attacking players that Conte needed.

Bentancur > PEH, but not an attacker.
We needed a third reliable goalscorer, and atm Kulu is young and inconsistent.
We also needed a wing back who can create/ score, but have none.
So we basically had the right transfers in terms of who left, but not enough coming in.

Overall... you could blame Conte's inflexibility with his system, but at the same time if we do bring in 2-3 new players next season, he should have the squad he wants. And the good news is- he's a world class manager so has shown he can succeed in the right conditions.
 
To Dare Is To Do. said:
Overall... you could blame Conte's inflexibility with his system, but at the same time if we do bring in 2-3 new players next season, he should have the squad he wants. And the good news is- he's a world class manager so has shown he can succeed in the right conditions.
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Conte isn't flexible. The club knew this when he was appointed I'm sure. He has his system and way of playing and he bases everything around that. He's a perfectionist who will make sure every detail is right and will have everyone playing at their top level, he's not a pragmatist with 5 different tactical plans to choose from that can adapt to different styles.

Same with Guardiola. He was called out for not adapting during his first City season, ignored that and continued working on his setup and vision. Fans can hate this and find it frustrating but this is what these managers do, they won't change their plans because of a few bad games. They will just keep working at perfecting what they know.
 
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