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Player Heung-Min Son (손흥민)

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Yes. That Liga MX keeper has positioned himself terribly, and the likelihood is most decent PL keepers don't do that. Pretty simple stuff.

Still deserves a chance to take some for Spurs next season, but people are mistaken if they're expecting them to fly in like they are vs some Liga MX & Chilean league keepers.
Did you watch his another free kick goal a few days ago?
You will see why Chilean keeper positioned wide right
 
Yes. That Liga MX keeper has positioned himself terribly, and the likelihood is most decent PL keepers don't do that. Pretty simple stuff.

Still deserves a chance to take some for Spurs next season, but people are mistaken if they're expecting them to fly in like they are vs some Liga MX & Chilean league keepers.
There’s no guarantee a PL keeper saves that. There’s serious pace on that free kick, the top spin gets it down, and it’s at a very desirable distance for a taker. The keeper can’t cheat near post either as son just scored a far post one.

On the far post one, keeper should probably do better and a PL keeper probably saves it.

On this one, the only way the keeper improves on positioning is by shortening the wall, and now you are giving up more room to the far post. Unless you try a split wall but those aren’t common. So no, I don’t think a PL keeper saves the near post one unless they try a different wall strategy. The wall even jumped and couldn’t get near it.

As a former professional keeper, I probably have a lot more experience than you at free kicks.
 
Yes. That Liga MX keeper has positioned himself terribly, and the likelihood is most decent PL keepers don't do that. Pretty simple stuff.

Still deserves a chance to take some for Spurs next season, but people are mistaken if they're expecting them to fly in like they are vs some Liga MX & Chilean league keepers.
Hmmm I'm gonna just say Pickford and let yall pick the bones out. The Everton one not brother that plays international tournaments
 
There’s no guarantee a PL keeper saves that. There’s serious pace on that free kick, the top spin gets it down, and it’s at a very desirable distance for a taker. The keeper can’t cheat near post either as son just scored a far post one.

On the far post one, keeper should probably do better and a PL keeper probably saves it.

On this one, the only way the keeper improves on positioning is by shortening the wall, and now you are giving up more room to the far post. Unless you try a split wall but those aren’t common. So no, I don’t think a PL keeper saves the near post one unless they try a different wall strategy. The wall even jumped and couldn’t get near it.

As a former professional keeper, I probably have a lot more experience than you at free kicks.

I didn't say there was a guarantee of anything.

It's a good strike, but that's one massive gap at his far post. I've very rarely to never seen a PL keeper leave that much of a gap. Maybe he'd seen the one Son scored at the near post and been wary of it, but he leaves himself with a hell of a distance to make up. He probably doesn't save it regardless (it's a very good strike) but gives himself next to no chance.

I'm sure you do. But that keepers positioning looks unusual compared to keepers at the top level, and I'm sure they know what they're doing as well. Regardless, it's a good hit & he should take more if we don't bring in Eriksen. I'm just saying we shouldn't be expecting the same hit rate vs a higher level of goalkeeping.
 
I didn't say there was a guarantee of anything.

Was duly noted by the by-standers.

It's a good strike, but that's one massive gap at his far post. I've very rarely to never seen a PL keeper leave that much of a gap. Maybe he'd seen the one Son scored at the near post and been wary of it, but he leaves himself with a hell of a distance to make up. He probably doesn't save it regardless (it's a very good strike) but gives himself next to no chance.

I'm sure you do. But that keepers positioning looks unusual compared to keepers at the top level, and I'm sure they know what they're doing as well. Regardless, it's a good hit & he should take more if we don't bring in Eriksen. I'm just saying we shouldn't be expecting the same hit rate vs a higher level of goalkeeping.

Nah, mate..... It's locked in now.... Nothing short of 100% will do. :adestare:
 
Son's the best finisher in the league, 100%. Shouldn't really be in doubt anymore, he massively exceeded his xG in 20/21 then did the same last season. He's the deadliest around when it comes to 1v1 situations.
Can't even think of anyone close. The graph shows he's light years beyond everyone else in the PL and I'm struggling to think of anyone beyond the PL ATM. The good thing about this reactive play is it gets the best out of him as opposed to some of his hesitant play and bumbling with more possession.

edit: hey Deuterz, didn't you quote me some 17 league goals for Harry the other day in our convo about Morata? That graph says 13 or 14 like I thought. You playing silly buggers on me?
 
I didn't say there was a guarantee of anything.

It's a good strike, but that's one massive gap at his far post. I've very rarely to never seen a PL keeper leave that much of a gap. Maybe he'd seen the one Son scored at the near post and been wary of it, but he leaves himself with a hell of a distance to make up. He probably doesn't save it regardless (it's a very good strike) but gives himself next to no chance.

I'm sure you do. But that keepers positioning looks unusual compared to keepers at the top level, and I'm sure they know what they're doing as well. Regardless, it's a good hit & he should take more if we don't bring in Eriksen. I'm just saying we shouldn't be expecting the same hit rate vs a higher level of goalkeeping.
Which free kick are you talking about here?

On free kicks right on the edge of the 18(like the first one) often you’ll see keepers have a massive wall and completely ignore the near post. Reason being it’s close enough that a far post shot can beat the keeper with pure power, it’s harder to beat the wall on close shots, and any shot that does beat the wall is almost impossible to save. So there’s not a lot of value for the keeper to be responsible for the near post, and it is understandable that leaving the far post open on that kick is questionable. Some teams might drop a defender to the near post here, but that adds other risks.

That 2nd free kick might be saved by a top keeper if they cheat near post or run a different wall strategy (like trying to view the ball through a defenders legs which is always risky). However, no keeper is cheating near post when son has just scored one far post from a similar angle. And even though the kick is not in the corner, the pace makes up for that (it’s also only about 22-25 yards out).

It’s a very repeatable technique and hit better than anything I’ve seen from Kane/Dier. Dier has accuracy but not the power and top spin that son showed there.
 
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Hopefully Conte just does the right thing and further builds the attack around him. No more decisions based on player marketing and political reasons.

If we want to get better as a team, we need Son taking majority of our shots. It's absolutely stupid and criminal that he's only taking 60-80 shots a year while significantly less clinical attackers are taking 130-150+ shots a season.
 
Hopefully Conte just does the right thing and further builds the attack around him. No more decisions based on player marketing and political reasons.

If we want to get better as a team, we need Son taking majority of our shots. It's absolutely stupid and criminal that he's only taking 60-80 shots a year while significantly less clinical attackers are taking 130-150+ shots a season.
Fully agree
 
🎶Heung-Min Son, Heung-Min Son
His free kicks are something to be scared of
He won’t ever, he won’t ever
Stop being Spurs, scoring for the Tottenham🎶

(Prince Charming)

I’m retiring now. Live off the royalties.
 
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