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TheSpurEst said:
I get your point but if you watch those clips side-by-side you see that it is not quite at the same pace.
No one in the Chelsea clip took even half of the time on the ball that Hjojberg needed for example.
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In both clips, from the keeper playing the ball to a shot on goal is 19 seconds.


magi said:
Almost every player of us nedded 2 touches of the ball , i think maybe that is the problem
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In those clips twice a Chelsea player takes 2 touches , not including being free out wide
Twice does a Spurs player take two touches.

The only real difference is that Kulu played a better ball in and Sonny was composed enough to score.
 
stevee said:
In both clips, from the keeper playing the ball to a shot on goal is 19 seconds.



In those clips twice a Chelsea player takes 2 touches , not including being free out wide
Twice does a Spurs player take two touches.

The only real difference is that Kulu played a better ball in and Sonny was composed enough to score.
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Well 2 differences still -
- for Spurs clip one had to dig into last season. Chelsea one was from last night.
- in Chelsea clip within the 19 seconds they made 9 passes, in Spurs clip 7; might not seem like a massive difference but it is difference of pass being completed on average with 2,7 seconds or 2,1 seconds. Latter is 22% faster in fact...
 
TheSpurEst said:
Well 2 differences still -
- for Spurs clip one had to dig into last season. Chelsea one was from last night.
- in Chelsea clip within the 19 seconds they made 9 passes, in Spurs clip 7; might not seem like a massive difference but it is difference of pass being completed on average with 2,7 seconds or 2,1 seconds. Latter is 22% faster in fact...
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So you're moving the goal posts from not "at the same pace" to Chelsea playing more passes.

I'm sure there are other examples of our good play from this season,that may or may not have, led to a goal.
Everton for example . PEH goal

Why anyone would willingly downplay our good play is beyond me.
 
stevee said:
So you're moving the goal posts from not "at the same pace" to Chelsea playing more passes.

I'm sure there are other examples of our good play from this season,that may or may not have, led to a goal.
Everton for example .

Why anyone would willingly downplay our good play is beyond me.
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I've got so many people on ignore, it's hard to keep track.

But in answer to your last sentence, we all know there's a considerable group of "fans" on here who simply want to shit on our club.
 
stevee said:
So you're moving the goal posts from not "at the same pace" to Chelsea playing more passes.

I'm sure there are other examples of our good play from this season,that may or may not have, led to a goal.
Everton for example . PEH goal

Why anyone would willingly downplay our good play is beyond me.
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No, I am not moving goalposts.
Ball is moving better in the Chelsea clip. It is harder to keep track of, if it moves through more positions within same amount of time. If every player takes even 0,6 seconds longer to recycle, spot target and execute pas, then it gives opposition defenders 0,6 seconds more time to get back.

I am talking about simple facts and trying to be objective. Sorry if being fan means that you cannot compare situations.
I am downplaying our good play. Just pointing it out that we are looking at archives to see this. While our actual build-up play from recent games has not been anything at all like the clip we saw. And it worries me to be honest.
 
TheSpurEst said:
No, I am not moving goalposts.
Ball is moving better in the Chelsea clip. It is harder to keep track of, if it moves through more positions within same amount of time. If every player takes even 0,6 seconds longer to recycle, spot target and execute pas, then it gives opposition defenders 0,6 seconds more time to get back.
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We both had a shot on goal regardless.
We moved the ball from one end of the pitch to the other in the same amount of time.
TheSpurEst said:
I am talking about simple facts and trying to be objective. Sorry if being fan means that you cannot compare situations.
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Of course you can compare but to say our move was "less" than their's is just silly.
Especially as we scored and they didn't.
TheSpurEst said:
I am downplaying our good play. Just pointing it out that we are looking at archives to see this. While our actual build-up play from recent games has not been anything at all like the clip we saw. And it worries me to be honest.
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See my reply to GOAT GOAT

There are numerous examples of us opening up teams this season.

How many times have Chelsea played a move like that ?

We've scored more than them.
 
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Hey Micky, remember when you got all angry with me for suggesting things weren’t all hunky dory?

Mick Cooper said:
are they the damning "facts " about how we just got our best haul of points in the first 10 games of a season in the last 30 years?
If we play like this for the next 28 games and win the league with88 points are you still going to whine about our Xg score, or shots per goal, or passses completed and tackles won?

Beacause whilst the rest of us are dancing fit to bust and getting pissed, I can only assume you will be walking round saying we didn't deserve it!

get your head out of your stats spreadsheet, look up and watch the games and enjoy the success that we achieve
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Sounds like you’re not dancing fit to bust any more?

A couple of games later:

Mick Cooper said:
I understand the principle of setting up teams to be resilient and fortress like in their defending, and to stretch out the opponents to set them up for a fast counter.

This relies on defenders and midfielders retaining the ball and playing passes to our forwards, or into space they can exploit. I have no memory of witnessing any of that control or ability from our midfield on Wednesday. As per The Spur Est's post above, possession doesn't mean everything - but there is one immutable fact - and that is, the opposition can't score if we keep the ball. It becomes much harder for them to score if we actually start passing to people in the same strip as us (that strip on Wednesday is the work of the Devil - it should be burned, buried and never spoken of again) - as opposed to firing the ball straight back at the opposition, maybe everyone in our support section should wave a flag that say's - "Go on, have another go" every time we do it.

Airfix in another post on here (TFC, not necessarily this thread) rebutted Moany Joany I think, by quoting stats about our points against the top 2 last season and decimating 10 man Woolwich at WHL - and whilst I get where he's coming from, that point is broken by the amount of matches we played where we looked like the last game.

I like the (good) results, but hate the method by which we achieve them - we really are starting to look like Stoke, and not even good stoke - I mean relegation Stoke. Yep don't tell me our league position, we are still top 4, but I suspect that it won't be for long. We've been royally found out, and now we are starting to make teams like Manure look like WC70 Brazil, by playing in this hideous "Tortoise mode" and hoping that Lloris got laid before the game.

I love the way people on here are slagging Dier off, as if he is entirely to blame, that guy was being bombarded for 90 minutes by a fast flowing attack that came straight down our throats and he was like a lone sentry for most of the game, is it any real surprise that he didn't deal with every assault with text book precision? He's not prime Bobby Moore or Beckenbauer, but he's not Anthony Gardner or Calum Davenport either, until we stop using him as a flack jacket to protect the goal, and stick a midfield in front of him that can retain and recycle the ball, the poor bastard is going to crack at some point against a constant, unchecked flow of high speed attacks.

We need to change this game plan IMV, we don't have the midfield to make it work, and if we don't supply Kane and Son with good opportunities, then they might as well get a couple of deckchairs and sit and watch the decimation from a point of comfort.
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How very fucking dare you suggest things aren’t all hunky dory…
 
skywalker68 said:
I have just taken the poster off ignore to see who you were talking to.
I must say I can't recall anyone crawling out from the woodwork, most of the posters on here post quite regularly, even the ones I have blocked.
Surely people are allowed to vent their frustration on what is after all a public forum.👍
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That’s because you only log on after losses.

You didn’t post from sep 3-13. You posted on the 3rd in the West ham match thread and mysteriously vanished when we won against Fulham later that day and Marseille. Then reappeared on the the 13th for the Sporting loss.

You disappeared for the 10 days prior to Woolwich (to be fair it was international break). Not much to say prior to the match though. No excitement or anything. But you were very active once we lost to Woolwich. And extremely busy the past week or two.

This is why most of the trolls on here hide their posting history. I’ll at least commend you for not being a coward (though it’s likely ignorance is the reason).
 
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Airfixx said:
Oh come on...... Are you indirectly suggesting that only "elite" players are good enough for Spurs squad?

Is every player at Utd. elite?
Is every player at Arse elite?
Is every player at Liverpool elite?
Is every player at Chelsea elite?
Even City.... Is Ake "elite"? ...Phillips? Gomez? Palmer? Alvarez?

Skipp is absolutely good enough for our squad.... And he's still growing.
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I never said he wasn't good enough for our squad but that he wouldn't get near the current elite teams - this is just a fact.

I do not think we are an elite team right now which is why he has a squad place.

We are not trying to be Woolwich/United or current Liverpool level. The whole Conte idea is to be elite. That means winning the Premier League or Champions League.

By this metric Skipp does not get a sniff at any of the few elite teams that could win those competitions.

It is normal to overrate homegrown players and it is fine but I'm sure Conte is not banking on Skipp being the guy that leads us to glory.
 
bus-conductor said:
Hey Micky, remember when you got all angry with me for suggesting things weren’t all hunky dory?



Sounds like you’re not dancing fit to bust any more?

A couple of games later:



How very fucking dare you suggest things aren’t all hunky dory…
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did you notice that the two games were significantly different to the others?
I did - and I didn't like what I saw,

I don't need made up stats or pseudo science to recognise it though, all I did was arse around with figures to show you what a load of tosh your figures were - at the time.

Things change. In 1961 we were the bollocks

we're not now

All I do is nowcasts, not forecasts based on BS facts

sue me.............
 
Mick Cooper said:
did you notice that the two games were significantly different to the others?
I did - and I didn't like what I saw,

I' don't need made up stats or pseudo science to recognise it though, all I did was arse around with figures to show you what a load of tosh your figures were - at the time.

Things change. In 1961 we were the bollocks

we're not now

All I do is nowcasts, not forecasts based on BS facts

sue me.............
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Well my pseudo science spotted it before your pseudo “figures” did. You had to wait for a bad result to knock you upsides the head.

Maybe, just maybe, instead of being a hyperbolic blow hard, just fucking pay attention next time and you might learn something and not always be so far behind me in spotting stuff.
 
bus-conductor said:
Well my pseudo science spotted it before your pseudo “figures” did. You had to wait for a bad result to knock you upsides the head.

Maybe, just maybe, instead of being a hyperbolic blow hard, just fucking pay attention next time and you might learn something and not always be so far behind me in spotting stuff.
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You calling me a blow hard is funny
your lack of self awareness has always been a joke - but this..........

Your prescience is based on shitting everything, complaining about the paucity of every player and every manager. We've hit a low point and suddenly you're touting yourself as nostradamus. You had to be close to right eventually.

You are funny.

Just not deliberately.
 
Mick Cooper said:
You calling me a blow hard is funny
your lack of self awareness has always been a joke - but this..........

Your prescience is based on shitting everything, complaining about the paucity of every player and every manager. We've hit a low point and suddenly you're touting yourself as nostradamus. You had to be close to right eventually.

You are funny.

Just not deliberately.
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Asphinctersays what?
 
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