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Zomb said:
We’ve been closer to winning the CL than the FA Cup or League cup too!
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if you go and look at games from say 40 years ago, i'm more interested in seeing who was the last 4 in the european cup than who won domestic cups. id imagine that will be even more the case in another 40 years. no ones gonna give a shit about who won domestic cups that put them into B tech europe. its the losers leagues.

its all about league titles and CL. liverpool done the tin pot double last year and its seen as a failure lol, they missed out on the proper prizes.
 
Ed Vanderlay said:
I never said it was only money , it helps for sure . My point is he is the CEO and has no consistent strategy DOF, no DOF , DOF , no DOF , rinse and repeat
Project manager , Quick fix manager , Project manager , quick fix manager , even quicker fix manager

Really uninspiring to me , no discernible strategy after 23 years
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He does have a strategy it’s just a strategy for off the field success with marketing, infrastructure development, contract negotiations. He is just very short termist in term of on the field. You could say Levy is a off-field strategist and on-field tactician.

I think this is partly because Levy understand the business of football but not the game of football. Building a winning team is a holistic process and very human, Klopp might be a great tactician but he is nothing without his anger and passion. You need the right philosophy, with the right manager and the right combination of players with different skills and personalities to build the winning team. That isn’t something you can easily work out on a spreadsheet. Levy historically has treated football like Del Boy treats buying and selling cars, it often feels like the human element is missing, the passion to really build something special on the field like the passion we had to build the stadium.

The solution is to have Levy dealing with the off field and have Paratici running the entire football operation from manager control, scouting, transfers and youth development but it’s unclear as to how much involved Levy is and how much he interferes.
 
daveyboy88 said:
if you go and look at games from say 40 years ago, i'm more interested in seeing who was the last 4 in the european cup than who won domestic cups. id imagine that will be even more the case in another 40 years. no ones gonna give a shit about who won domestic cups that put them into B tech europe. its the losers leagues.

its all about league titles and CL. liverpool done the tin pot double last year and its seen as a failure lol, they missed out on the proper prizes.
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The domestic cups are a decent consolation prize for a club that finishes in the top 4.

Without Champions League qualification a domestic cup win is hollow in 2022.

Top 4 is the new Cup win.
 
daveyboy88 said:
id rather be in the CL every year than win a league cup. if youre in the CL you should have a decent side/squad and you have more money and a better opportunity to build on and really compete. a poxy league cup does fuck all, any mug can win that if city go out. puts you in B tech europe, would put us back 4 steps crashing out of CL to win a tin pot cup.


kane would be ridiculed far more if at the end of his career the only trophies hes won is league and FA cups...hes better off winning nothing and being in the CL every year. you think barca, madrid or bayern would brag about winning the europa league?
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CL is important for Levy/ENIC because of money but we are not likely to win it at present or maybe ever. Mourinho always targeted the domestic cups to get a winning attitude in the players. We really need to win something and cannot be so high and mighty to look down on the domestic trophies like that.
I disagree that Kane would be ridiculed for winning a domestic cup. I believe at the end of the season, if we have won the F A Cup. he is more likely to extend his contract that if we go out to Portsmouth, whatever happens in the PL.
 
spursmalc said:
CL is important for Levy/ENIC because of money but we are not likely to win it at present or maybe ever. Mourinho always targeted the domestic cups to get a winning attitude in the players. We really need to win something and cannot be so high and mighty to look down on the domestic trophies like that.
I disagree that Kane would be ridiculed for winning a domestic cup. I believe at the end of the season, if we have won the F A Cup. he is more likely to extend his contract that if we go out to Portsmouth, whatever happens in the PL.
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Has zero bearing. Zero (FA)
 
spursmalc said:
CL is important for Levy/ENIC because of money but we are not likely to win it at present or maybe ever. Mourinho always targeted the domestic cups to get a winning attitude in the players. We really need to win something and cannot be so high and mighty to look down on the domestic trophies like that.
I disagree that Kane would be ridiculed for winning a domestic cup. I believe at the end of the season, if we have won the F A Cup. he is more likely to extend his contract that if we go out to Portsmouth, whatever happens in the PL.
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you think we would have signed romero, kulu, bentancur, bissouma and richarlison if we didnt have CL. the pool of players we would be shopping in would be shit.

i agree we should be looking to win them cups, but not at the expense of CL football. CL is priority.
 
stevee said:
What has that got to do with anything ?

Even without the extra events, we've doubled our match day income.
That can only be a good thing.
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Because people harp on about “ All the extra revenue “ , I believe you did too.. it’s minimal , we can’t even secure all NFL games in London , at what extra cost? The entertainment centre is struggling to attract entertainment. So many bands are touring yet we’ve secured 1 up until July. It’s kind of laughable. If it’s due to restricted events over a year then we have to put that down to lack of research by the powers that be.
 
Furball man said:
Because people harp on about “ All the extra revenue “ , I believe you did too.. it’s minimal , we can’t even secure all NFL games in London , at what extra cost? The entertainment centre is struggling to attract entertainment. So many bands are touring yet we’ve secured 1 up until July. It’s kind of laughable. If it’s due to restricted events over a year then we have to put that down to lack of research by the powers that be.
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Levy probably looking to have it all his own way in negotiations and failing. That’s a shambles (1 event). He needs ending
 
spursmalc said:
Now you have introduced a new topic. The lack of a trophy. Now I agree that Levy has not helped with the quest for a trophy. I do not think there is a quest for a trophy. I think it was Mourinho that let it slip that whilst there was a big bonus for getting top 4 there was very little for winning a trophy. From the players attitudes highlighted in the Conference last season, I assume they have little bonus for winning a trophy as well.
Fans including probably the majority on here have less interest in winning a trophy. Previously there have been discussion about winning a trophy compared to top 4 and the majority go for top 4. The Media and opposition fans taunt us for the lack of a trophy but there has to be a major attitude change in the club for that to happen. Poch and other Managers have played weaken teams in cup matches and we have lost. This has to change or the quest for a trophy will continue. Already some posters are calling for fringe players to play in the F A Cup this year and we could easily go the same way as the League cup. With no realistic hope of winning the PL or CL that will end this year's quest. It sends out the wrong message to the players and they need to be told in no uncertain terms that winning a trophy is important. However that is Conte. Paratici & Kane's job and not Levy's We simply have not turned up in major Cup matches.
In 1991 it was very different. Gazza our best player had injury problems and missed a lot of league matches towards the end of the season but was always played in the F A Cup leading to us winning it. This would never happen now and he would have played in the league matches and we would never have made the final.
So I accept that Levy has hindered our pursuit of a trophy but it is also successive Managers and players attitudes that is also the problem.
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Not sure what the disagrees are for. Because criticised Levy for not incentivising winning a trophy or because I said the Managers and players are also to blame. The 1991 story is true.
 
Furball man said:
Look where the last NFL games played in the uk were held . Is Wembley purpose built too ? I know you know how much extra it cost to make the stadium “NFL friendly “ & id presume you know how much the NFL chipped in . Our dealings seem flimsy at best. We built a stadium at our cost to hold NFL & we don’t even get all the games played in London .
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Was listening to the Neil Reynolds podcast the other week. He had Darren fletcher on, they weren’t to complimentary about the pre and post game nfl experience at the ground. They didn’t think the space around the ground was conducive to a lot of what the NFL is about with fan parks and tailgating etc.

Cant remember where but have also read that some nfl players have been complaining about getting injuries/niggles because of the rails on the artificial pitch. I don’t think it’s a forgone conclusion that we’ll get games after this first set of games we’ve agreed are done. Wouldn’t surprise me if all or most of the overseas games in Europe end up in Germany at Munich and Frankfurt. They have the space around the stadium and the county has a big passion for American football
 
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dustybin said:
Was listening to the Neil Reynolds podcast the other week. He had Darren fletcher on, they weren’t to complimentary about the pre and post game nfl experience at the ground. They didn’t think the space around the ground was conducive to a lot of what the NFL is about with fan packs and tailgating etc.

Cant remember where but have also read that some nfl players have been complaining about getting injuries/niggles because of the rails on the artificial pitch. I don’t think it’s a forgone conclusion that we’ll get games after this first set of games we’ve agreed are done. Wouldn’t surprise me if all or most of the overseas games in Europe end up in Germany at Munich and Frankfurt. They have the space around the stadium and the county has a big passion for American football
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We have a 10 year deal till 2028, I think?

Also we (Levy) wants the Super Bowl...
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Spurs launch bid to host Super Bowl

Spurs have launched an ambitious bid to host NFL showpiece the Super Bowl at their London stadium in 2026 - would build on existing £40 million staging deal.
www.eurosport.co.uk www.eurosport.co.uk
 
dustybin said:
Was listening to the Neil Reynolds podcast the other week. He had Darren fletcher on, they weren’t to complimentary about the pre and post game nfl experience at the ground. They didn’t think the space around the ground was conducive to a lot of what the NFL is about with fan packs and tailgating etc.

Cant remember where but have also read that some nfl players have been complaining about getting injuries/niggles because of the rails on the artificial pitch. I don’t think it’s a forgone conclusion that we’ll get games after this first set of games we’ve agreed are done. Wouldn’t surprise me if all or most of the overseas games in Europe end up in Germany at Munich and Frankfurt. They have the space around the stadium and the county has a big passion for American football
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You raise sone interesting point , maybe we overlook that in the uk . It does seem like a whole day thing in the states , the build up , tailgating . I guess Wembley can offer the build up outside the ground , as does the Allianz , they have space around it, our stadium doesn’t.
 
Furball man said:
You raise sone interesting point , maybe we overlook that in the uk . It does seem like a whole day thing in the states , the build up , tailgating . I guess Wembley can offer the build up outside the ground , as does the Allianz , they have space around it, our stadium doesn’t.
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Wembley doesn’t have the pitch, lockrooms or media facilities that suit the NFL. They would have to spend a few hundred million converting.
 
SpiderSpurs said:
We have a 10 year deal till 2028, I think?

Also we (Levy) wants the Super Bowl...
www.eurosport.co.uk

Spurs launch bid to host Super Bowl

Spurs have launched an ambitious bid to host NFL showpiece the Super Bowl at their London stadium in 2026 - would build on existing £40 million staging deal.
www.eurosport.co.uk www.eurosport.co.uk
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Yep a ten year deal with 6 or 7 years left, after that as I said don’t think we’re guaranteed to get more by any means.

Absolutely no chance a Super Bowl gets played outside of America. The time difference alone doesn’t make it feasible for their biggest sporting event. Even a London Franchise I couldn’t see happening, it’s so far off.
 
dustybin said:
Yep a ten year deal with 6 or 7 years left, after that as I said don’t think we’re guaranteed to get more by any means.

Absolutely no chance a Super Bowl gets played outside of America. The time difference alone doesn’t make it feasible for their biggest sporting event. Even a London Franchise I couldn’t see happening, it’s so far off.
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There would be a civil war if the Super Bowl were to be held outside the states

I doubt a London franchise would happen either , I know America is big but they do try to keep teams who play regular fairly close . The environmental implications for teams flying to & fro over the Atlantic week in week out wouldn't look good either.

Levy seems to have big Sky ideas from the brain of an egg box .
 
stevee said:
Nobody had a new stadium that would treble their revenue waiting to be filled.

So you don't think it's fact that Utd and Liverpool have higher revenues than us and can therefore spend more ?

Or that Chelsea and Newcastle are artificially pumped ?

Or that we above all the teams you mentioned bar one in the table ?

It'll be much easier if you only type
"SpEnD MoRe MoNeY" every time you post.
At least then everyone will know what you really mean.
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We disagree on the clubs commitment to winning.

You are satisfied they have made every effort possible and it’s not their fault that they’ve never got over the line to actually win things. I think they make excuses about why they can’t compete with Chelsea, UTD and Liverpool even though they are in the top 10 in the richest clubs in the world, even above Qatari state PSG. Especially when they charge some of the highest ticket prices in world football.

I don’t know if it makes you feel more intelligent to use LeTterS in your FunNy way to imply I’m stupid because I don’t agree with you? Maybe you feel like attempting to ridicule somebody with a different perspective makes other people believe you are right?
 
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