I dont think that’s true or fair.
Personal abuse shouldn’t be tolerated and way too much of it happens on this board
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Management Levy / €NIC. In or Out
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Personal abuse shouldn’t be tolerated and way too much of it happens on this board
There you have it
John Thomas
another eg. Sorry to tag you just pointing out it very much goes both ways and is unacceptable
But Mike Ashley. had he taken over us would not have done as brilliant job as ENIC, likewise the Everton owners as you only have to look at their history at their own clubs... so credit were credit is due to Levy.
The trophy argument is really very pointless, take a look at the previous posts with regards to trophies and you'll find that not many clubs other than the obvious ones win anything. Just a few examples of teams currently in the league, can't be bothered to go through them all
Evertons last trophy - 1995
Aston Villa - 1996
Newcastle - 1955
West Ham - 1980
Leeds United - 1992
Crystal Palace - 1994
The list is endless but apparently its only Tottenham that don't win trophies
Man Utd - massive club
Woolwich - can't argue with their history
Liverpool - Same
Man City - money
Chelsea - Money
The only real exception was Leicester who massively lucked out, you can't tell me their board planned for a Premier League win, so I wouldn't call their owners a raging success.
I'm not even gonna worry about clubs who have won lucky cups i.e Wigan, Birmingham etc as they are now playing in the lower leagues. Hardly call that a success.
So you put us in the same bracket as Everton, Villa, Leeds and West Ham?
No wonder your expectations are so tiny.
If I felt we were in that bracket I'd also be content with a nice stadium, regular top 4 and an overpriced artisan beer.
If you go to the games? I'm sure you realise you are paying higher ticket prices every week than Man Utd, Liverpool & Chelsea? Comparable to Woolwich last I checked.
If we are supposed to be judged alongside the likes of West Ham as per your above post why aren't we paying West Ham season ticket prices?
I give and have given Levy credit for the stadium, but I thought we were building it to kick on as a club and compete for big trophies, not to host NFL and boxing so that ENIC can line their own pockets.
Can I just ask why do you even go and watch the club if you have zero expectation of winning anything? what is even the point?
We could put 60k fans outside the stadium and spend hours rioting against ENIC, but they wouldn't budge.
They're imbedded into the club and they're not leaving.
Said it so many times on here I might put it in my profile. They will only sell up when it effects their bottom line.
That means the stadium has to be half full, merchandise and food sales have to plummet.
Vote with your feet.
I don't put us in the same bracket, I'm comparing us to them. Those clubs are not small clubs, Aston Villa as a prime example are a big football club and my point is they haven't won a trophy for ages. Hell Leeds United won the League in 1992 but have done nothing since apart from a freak Champions League run... then got relegated due to mismanagement. Imagine Levy did that to this club after the Champions League final? Would never happen because he thinks about the long term future not just short term.
Yeah, I go to games every week, I pay for a season ticket, I sit with two of my best mates who I grew up with. I enjoy the tradition, meeting up with mates, match dat traditions. Supporting Spurs is not just about turning up demanding trophies, I like the rise of Spurs. I feel glad that Spurs have built the club back up in recent years the proper way rather than just getting an Arab or dodgy Russian takeover.
Football is more about just demanding trophies and spending money, Hell the majority of football clubs in world football don't win trophies. its about the hope, rather than just this boring modern day view of we want a rich owner to turn us into Man City. Boring mate, so bloody boring. I'd rather support the club in the position it is rather than be run by crooks.
Villa have won the European cup and Everton have won the league as recently as the 80s whatever about comparisons to us their expectations should be higher than where they are currently.
Anyway that’s none of my business
If you look at the history of those clubs their records and trophy cabinets more than match ours. Everton: champions 9 times. Villa: 7 times, throw in a Eurpoean Cup to go with it. Both have a decent number of FA Cups.
Even Leeds have won the league THREE times since we last did.
West Ham are clearly not on our level and never have been, nor ever will be.
So yeah, those are historically around the same size as us or bigger at least in terms of success. Our lack of trophies is ENIC's problem right now, and they're damned well not delivering but let's not pretend it was all sunshine and lollipops before them either.
Our ST prices are a disgrace even without throwing in the lack of sucess, but nothing much will happen until people stop paying it (and sure, I'm one of those mugs)
And that is for their fans to concern themselves with. This is about our club and our expectations for our club.
And if you want to take the romance out of it entirely and go with a Daniel Levyism then lets look at it purely from a £ perspective like he does.
Are we getting value for money in paying the top prices in the league for the output we are receiving in trophies?
Gold expects Conte stories to emerge from Spurs
Tottenham Hotspur manager Antonio Conte could come under fire in the coming weeks as Alasdair Gold expects stories of unhappy players to hit the press.
www.footballfancast.com
Again it is said the players aren't happy with the manager. Who is actually running the show? We saw them "Not Happy" with Poch. We saw them, " Not Happy with Jose", "Nuno" and now "Not Happy with Conté". Bunch men crying for everything.
Truth is, they are not League Winning material. Look at our players. Who can take us out of the dwang
That’s because many of us aren’t even levy supporters. We are somewhere in the middle, but because we don’t agree with your cult, we are labeled as pro levy.
I don’t disagree with everything you say, but the way your cult acts is almost always confrontational and disrespectful. And it doesn’t matter what they say, logical or illogical, polite or rude, constructive or destructive, all you care is that a comment is Anti Levy/Enic and you are giving them likes and telling them how wise they are. You’ve supported some awful comments and are a big part of the problem.
I think one thing most, if not all of us can hopefully agree on.
We have around a 25-30% hard-core of Levy / ENIC out supporters (and growing)
who won't change their stance on the whim of a few good results or the appointment of a short term manager (I admit to belonging to this group)
Previous polls posted by others would back this up.
A 15-20% runt of remaining ENIC diehards who would never change their stance regardless of what shit the board try and pull and would probably throw themselves in front of a bus heading for Daniel Levy.
This current poll would definitely back this up.
And the remainder who still tend to change with the wind, with a few who may need another two decades before making their mind up once and for all.
The whole series of polls would probably back this up.
I do get the feeling that the frustration and general dislike of what this club has become under ENIC is growing. It's at a level I've never seen before anyway. And this has to be good thing for our long term prospects of success.
When Rival fans start singing "Daniel Levy, we want you to stay" then you probably know the game is up.
Anyway guys. I must depart. Here's to a positive result tonight.
Let's hope Antonio and the boys give the fans some much needed new year cheer.
We have around a 25-30% hard-core of Levy / ENIC out supporters (and growing)
who won't change their stance on the whim of a few good results or the appointment of a short term manager (I admit to belonging to this group)
Previous polls posted by others would back this up.
A 15-20% runt of remaining ENIC diehards who would never change their stance regardless of what shit the board try and pull and would probably throw themselves in front of a bus heading for Daniel Levy.
This current poll would definitely back this up.
And the remainder who still tend to change with the wind, with a few who may need another two decades before making their mind up once and for all.
The whole series of polls would probably back this up.
I do get the feeling that the frustration and general dislike of what this club has become under ENIC is growing. It's at a level I've never seen before anyway. And this has to be good thing for our long term prospects of success.
When Rival fans start singing "Daniel Levy, we want you to stay" then you probably know the game is up.
Anyway guys. I must depart. Here's to a positive result tonight.
Let's hope Antonio and the boys give the fans some much needed new year cheer.
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I guess that's where we differ then.
Because I would happily have a shiekh in tomorrow if it mean't us operating in the same circles as City. I just want to see this club win a big trophy before I die.
Couldn't give a fuck about the morality argument. I always think that if people are so unhappy with the dirty money is in the game they should simply stop following the premier league because no club is clean.
All of these clubs happily voted the money into the league because they knew it raised their own clubs profiles and profits.
Where do people think the merchandise is made.
It just seems niave to me.
I'm also fairly sure that ENIC trampled over more than a few dreams to get where they are now.
Football has always been about money, it worked in our favour in the early 60's when we were among the very wealthy. Liverpool and Man Utd didn't dominate English football between them without £.
Ok, there are new levels to it, I get that.
Aren't you just a little bit tired of having that hopeless feeling that if Conte can't win us a big trophy then nobody can? You must have mates who support other clubs, aren't you a bit tired of being the punching bag as we get mocked relentlessly for 1 league cup in the past 20 years?
each to their own but I can see we are miles apart in our expectation levels.
Even when you’re trying to be reasonable and fair you still write stuff like this…
Do you not see how this kind of language is problematic and misrepresentative?
Anyway I can’t keep doing this either.
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I guess even the most ardent pro-ENIC fan would be excited if this happened - but it's not happening, or at least isn't right now.
If there's a Sheikh who wants to step up there's nothing stopping them. In the words of Delia, where are you? Let's be having you!
Well there's definitely a debate to be had about the history, character and portfolio of a certain Mr Joe Lewis.
But maybe that's for another thread.
Football is an emotional sport, the reason some might be resorting to insults is they feel like certain parts of our fanbase are holding the club back with their passivity and lack of ambition.
I've skimmed this entire thread and unless I missed something I honestly haven't seen anything I would personally deem to be all that offensive, honestly feel some people need to grow a thicker skin.
If somebody calls you a cunt on an anonymous forum do you really take that to heart?
That's about the levels I've seen on here.
The asking price seems a bit unreasonable
To be fair, I don't disagree. There's corruption in everything you do in life to a certain extent. In football, I guess I just view ENIC as a slightly less corrupt organisation then some of the new owners that have arrived in the game
