Blaming the fans who pay good money into the club every year for a lack of success is pretty unfair though.
Mistakes have been made by the club, wrong managers have been hired or fired, recruitment has been hit and miss. But that's not on the fans.
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Management Levy / €NIC. In or Out
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Blaming the fans who pay good money into the club every year for a lack of success is pretty unfair though.
Mistakes have been made by the club, wrong managers have been hired or fired, recruitment has been hit and miss. But that's not on the fans.
Sort of do believe he's ITK now.
Have you seen the title of the thread he started??
‘WE NEED TO UNITE BEFORE WE ARE NO MORE’.
Fair enough, if that's your view I understand.
I don't particularly like anything about the way modern day sport is run, but it's part of my life and is a massive part so I kinda put up with it otherwise things would be pretty boring
.Like you 100% my views on the current situation is frustrating, I completely agree about the Conte situation. yeah, I have mates who rip the shit out of Spurs, its a growing trend, but I feel alot of it is unfair and goes with a very boring narrative due to the reasons mentioned above about trophies. It's not even crap from Woolwich fans etc its the lower clubs now that feel the need to rip Spurs. Even when I was at the darts last week fans sing 'Tottenham get battered blah blah'. Someone like Harry Kane who is clearly one of the best players this country and club have produced still gets such an unfair amount of stick.
Definitely levy in after reading that.
But that brings us back to where I was before. To buy a football club already near the top end of the Premier League with the Stadium and other facilities in place already isn't cheap and that's why while demanding ENIC get out is all well and good, but someone has to be willing to buy it.
We're now at the point where it needs to be a whole country or some arsehole like Elon Musk who has more money than sense. Newcastle were a snip, but an underpeforming football club which owns no property based in the North East with a desperate to sell owner always were going to be.
Nobody ever claimed that emotion was logical.
I just see ENIC as an obstacle to Spurs success therefore it follows that anyone who supports them is also an obstacle.
The only thing I’m discrediting is the 85% who voted out is representative of this forum. It’s not. It’s representative of the people who voted. And it’s a decent amount to be fair.
I did throw some shade on Twitter, because, well, it’s fucking Twitter. Even I’m not cunty enough to be on there, so no, I doubt it’s that reflective of the general feeling amongst fans. Maybe the more mature fan (and I mean old, not mentally mature) aren’t on Twitter and therefore their voices aren’t to be heard. Maybe the more mature fan has supported through the nineties and feels we could do worse than the status quo. Maybe not. Fucked if I, or you, know.
I did hear the chants at the weekend and I expect to hear more tonight. Again, a strong sign, but reflective of the entire fan base? No.
I’m not discrediting anything (actually was clear that the negative thoughts of your friends were a good indication of how you would feel too), I’m questioning the validity of a poll on here, some Twitter shouting and a wee chant being the end of days for Levy.
But unless one of us has a few billion lying around, or know someone who does, what is the regular fan meant to do? ENIC won't sell Tottenham for a few hundred million because of a protest or some banners. We've reached the era of absolutely silly numbers in football. So many 0s at the end of things it's hard to wrap the head around.
True but we can do something ourselves like actually have a plan. Not switch from cheque book manager to project manager to Clown Nuno. We have no clear football vision, Man United showed even with big cash without vision nothing is possible. We aren’t just here because of money infact money is far less an issue than no fucking vision.
Our current vision consists of getting a short term elite cheque book manager not enough money to do project football, project football for which he has never done before. It’s nuts.
ENIC less Corrupt? By what standard are you measuring? They stealing from every Single Fan. Everything is more expensive. Our Tickets, Apparel, Stadium Food, Beer....etc are all of the most expensive. Their real estate portfolio has grown more than 100 fold. While this has happened "Our Beloved Football Team has remained a shot in the dark".To be fair, I don't disagree. There's corruption in everything you do in life to a certain extent. In football, I guess I just view ENIC as a slightly less corrupt organisation then some of the new owners that have arrived in the game
Wanna talk about Corrupt. They just use legal Avenues to take more and more for themselves.
I Live overseas. Came down to UK for visit and ended up watching a Liverpool match because I couldn't afford the Spurs experience.
Here what I think of Their Corruption.
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As I've already said elsewhere, vote with your feet. Stop attending the overpriced football. In turn this means they take less money at the bar, club shop and food stall.
Only when it hits ENIC's pocket will they seriously contemplate selling.
At the moment its just too cushy for them, the stadium is largely full, and they think they have another high profile manager ripe and ready to be scapegoated.
They probably think they can replace Conte with another name or the romantic notion of the return of Poch will appease the fans for another 6 months, and we will then hear that its all about it being yet another in an endless list of "long term projects" to appease us some more.
I was at the game Saturday yeah there were a bit of leavy out chants but not the majority. most of were too bored to bother. we need to get behind the side not into self defeating rows against the ownership who have done well to make us regular European qualifiers on top of constructing a amazing stadium.
If the problems of spurs where a pie chart it would be.
Conte 20%
Levy 15%
Players 15%
Carbon owned football clubs polluting compititation 50%
I absolutely agree.
Our manager hiring and firing has been atrocious and showed no coherent plan. Hiring Nuno was bad, but the "process" which got us there after months was unforgivable.
ENIC out might be a stretch, purely because of the cost of buying the club but for the love of god they need to hire someone with a better idea of football administration to sit between manager and board. I thought thats what we were going to get with Paratici, but I don't know how much he really had to do with Nuno.
As you've already aluded to yourself, football isn't logical. It's emotion. For too many people not turning up is a proper wrench.
Totally bored of the shit on the pitch but we keep coming back. It's not a normal business.
Chanting is never a good look buddy. But it happens and does show a growing distaste of the board. I’d say more are apathetic as they know it won’t make a damn difference.
I mean its easier for me to say as I gave up my season ticket a long time ago in a galaxy far far away. And when I gave mine up it was more about my financial constraints at that particular time than it was about ENIC.
The funny thing is I miss the beers down the pub with the lads much more than the actual football.
I get you though.
And ENIC aren't stupid, they know they have us by the balls. I just don't think too many other global fanbases would put up with the shit that Spurs fans put up with at the price.
I often hear that Spurs fans are fickle. That's not true. We are apathetic but not fickle.
I'll give you an example, I know someone who has a season ticket and is very ENIC out/Levy bald cunt . Every single season for the last 10 years or so he always says 'I'm not gonna renew, I'm done' then come the last day to renew, he renews his ticket. It's quite funny now tbh
Football is a very emotional thing and If you have a strong connection with the club it's very difficult to just stop.To be fair I think the Levy out chants are the fans leveraging there anger hoping it spurs him on to release the cash. Then actually directed at removing him. If he gets a suitable offer he will sell. If not he won't. And we are merely a Greek chorus commenting on events but not actually moving them.
Fucking hell, this is ALL on ENIC and Levy. Unambitious cunts.
Football really is hell at present, a shite WC, Woolwich top of the league and Spurs looking like top 6 would be a challenge.
All because of owners that are tight as arseholes and do the bare minimum.
They need to fucking go.
Football really is hell at present, a shite WC, Woolwich top of the league and Spurs looking like top 6 would be a challenge.
All because of owners that are tight as arseholes and do the bare minimum.
They need to fucking go.