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Transfers Summer Transfer Thread 2023! - Closed (Maybe)

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Richard Arlison said:
We will have to because:


If they decide Hincapie is one of them he will be 25-30 ish but also very raw. If Bastoni hasn't signed a contract yet then maybe he's 30m. That is much more the range our owners want to pay.
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Yes indeed, come the summer, I fully expect the club to low ball everyone for a cheap CB although we probably need two.
Obviously two won't happen, so that will be another three windows of searching.
Difficult to see what ENIC want to achieve, if we don't make top four, again unlikely due to our leaky defence and fear of being able to win home games, the excuses will be in full flow especially with no CL money#excitingtimes.
 
r-u-s-x said:
That's what I said.

Why would you prefer to pay it in installments rather than in one hit out of your cash reserves?
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At one point; talk was that we were compelled to have a certain amount in our reserves as part of our loan/bond agreements....

Another; paying 5 x 10m installments means that over the 5 years your installments will decrease in value compared to if you paid 50m up front.

There maybe be other rhetorical scenarios......
 
Airfixx said:
At one point; talk was that we were compelled to have a certain amount in our reserves as part of our loan/bond agreements....

Another; paying 5 x 10m installments means that over the 5 years your installments will decrease in value compared to if you paid 50m up front.

There maybe be other rhetorical scenarios......
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I know the reasons why you would engage with a third party (rather than negotiate directly with the club) and its almost always free cash flow, I was asking zomb because he doesn't think it would be the reason.
 
Airfixx said:
You're way off.

Levekusen were rumoured to have slapped a £80m pricetag on Hincapie a few weeks ago. Bastoni was tagged with 70m euro in the summer.....

So pretty much the same ballpark of OG post........

Market's a joke and it gets worse every window.
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Bastoni was the summer and 2 years left on his contract. this summer will have a year left and a full year of not getting him to sign. No way he's more than 40m. Unless he signs a contract and then just give up.
Leverkusen know full well they aren't getting 80m for Hincapie. We bid 25m apparently... maybe he's 40m if we really really want him.
 
Starks said:
Agreed. If we get him in the summer, it'll be about 40 to 45m.

But I'd personally rather go for Bastoni and Ndicka for the exact same price combined.
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Hincapie seems like an expensive punt to me...... Bastoni & Ndicka have a longer track-record to lean on.

Would peeps be pleased with:

Romero / Ndicka / Bastoni

.......Or is it too lacking star-power for some?
 
The Swellhead Spur said:
Porro/Spence & Udogie/Perisic hopefully

The real question is who do we get out of Raya & Pickford
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For me Jordan Pickford is an outstanding Gk but i dont think he would be a good signing for Spurs
its too much like Paul Robinson again current England number 1 been great for Everton and in Robinsons case Leeds and then arrives and will flatter to deceive.

Raya looks good but wouldnt hang my hat on that one and honestly we should've signed him 3 or 4 years ago when the links first started.

We definitely need 2 new goalies and we have missed out on 2 of the best in the world in the last 6 months alone.

Nick Pope ( he is def Englands number 1 now)
and Yann Sommer

Both were available for next to nothing (in todays standards) shame on the club for doing nothing about that position for years now.

I do rate Sanchez of Brighton though
 
Geezergood19 said:
For me Jordan Pickford is an outstanding Gk but i dont think he would be a good signing for Spurs
its too much like Paul Robinson again current England number 1 been great for Everton and in Robinsons case Leeds and then arrives and will flatter to deceive.

Raya looks good but wouldnt hang my hat on that one and honestly we should've signed him 3 or 4 years ago when the links first started.

We definitely need 2 new goalies and we have missed out on 2 of the best in the world in the last 6 months alone.

Nick Pope ( he is def Englands number 1 now)
and Yann Sommer

Both were available for next to nothing (in todays standards) shame on the club for doing nothing about that position for years now.

I do rate Sanchez of Brighton though
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yea pope looks very good. his kicking is poor though. its madness that weve had to watch lloris try and play out, its the most braindead shit. i actually think hes right footed but he hasn't worked it out yet, no one who gets paid to play football can have that poor of a strong foot.
 
Airfixx said:
Hincapie seems like an expensive punt to me...... Bastoni & Ndicka have a longer track-record to lean on.

Would peeps be pleased with:

Romero / Ndicka / Bastoni

.......Or is it too lacking star-power for some?
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Bastoni and NDicka are both LCB's or at least left-footed. Don't know enough about either to say if either can play CCB.

Personally doubt I'm going to watch either enough to have an opinion. Just hope that they actually go hard enough to get the targets they really want.

Porro was the #1 target and clearly a player they didn't decide on because he was cheaper. He was the best player available in his position.

They did that last summer with Bastoni and Gvardiol and either hadn't done the homework before going public on them as targets or didn't go hard enough on the budget to get them. Just don't sell fans on players that you aren't sure you can get or already have an idea you have no way to afford.
 
r-u-s-x said:
They could easily get money with the equity in the club as guarantee . They won't and I'm not saying they should but plenty of private equity would be willing.
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Rumours that enic would sell a % of the club to a third party - if structured so its new equity created that means £ x million going into Tottenham Hotspur Limited.

Raising a loan of say £300m to invest in players is expensive as its seen as Russian roulette (our success rate 2016 to 2020 is about 1 player in 10, under Fabio its improved a lot but lets say 7 players in 10 succeed but even within that will we be able to sell Richarlison for more than the reputed £60m we paid ? ) so rates would be nowhere near the 3% stadium finance is. And the financier is likely to want to call in the guarantee of the equity, which means they are in control of the terms they buy the equity on.

IMO it would be better in most scenario to
- sell a minority of the equity to a 3rd party dealing with all the terms (eg board representation, follow on or not if enic sell on and a whole host of other issues). Or
- maybe do a convertible (again setting out terms to buyer) Or maybe - do a bond with a link to repayment being out of revenues from Spurs.


But going to your other point, I'd always opt to pay in instalments. Why ?

If I have £50m I might be able to use that to buy ONE player outright or pay for FIVE £50m players on 5 year contracts by paying 5 x £10m instalments in year 1 - effect on cash flow is the same in year 1. Of course buying 5 players it means I have £200m creditors at the end of year 1 which is paid off at £50m (5 x £10m instalment) in each of years 2 to 5.

This results in spreading/leveraging your money without paying a financing charge - which is why most transfers are done by paying in instalments rather than up front,
 
Airfixx said:
Hincapie seems like an expensive punt to me...... Bastoni & Ndicka have a longer track-record to lean on.

Would peeps be pleased with:

Romero / Ndicka / Bastoni

.......Or is it too lacking star-power for some?
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Swap Ndicka and Bastoni around and that's a pretty damn good upgraded defensive line. Porro and Udogie either side.
 
daveyboy88 said:
yea pope looks very good. his kicking is poor though. its madness that weve had to watch lloris try and play out, its the most braindead shit. i actually think hes right footed but he hasn't worked it out yet, no one who gets paid to play football can have that poor of a strong foot.
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Hit the nail on the head there with Lloris not knowing what is his favoured foot lol

Ive never been that much of a Lloris fan but will admit on his day is one of the best shotstoppers around its a shame his Spurs career will end in such acrimonious circumstances if the club had found an able deputy in the past 4 or 5 years it wouldnt have to be like this
 
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