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For me he's clearly not in the top 5-10 players in the Bundesliga and, mainly, I don't see him as a leader, fighter, a guy with massive balls. But that's exactly what we sooooooo desperately need at Spurs: frigging dogs, guys with huge character, who hate losing...minus the stupid as eff shithousery a la Romero.

And for all his talent, Brandt ain't that type.
I like Brandt. I've watched him a fair bit. He's skillful, weights a pass perfectly and would bring much needed calm in the final third.

You may well be correct that he goes missing - I haven't watched *that* much of him play, but I feel like the last thing we need is more characters. We have vikings like PEH, moody nutters like Dier and Romero basically assaulting people and screaming in their faces. I'm bored of all the blood and thunder - I'd like to see some skill and talent. Dare I say a bit of elegance?

I think Brandt's main problem is that he appears to occupy that right sided AM/winger position which is where I think we'll see Kulu used. I think he's better than Kulu, but probably not a good use of our budget.
 
Doc Doc Why are we so bad from passing it out from the back and beating our press? Is it poor coaching or the players?

For example, with Romero Dier Lenglet... there's an argument that all 3 should be decent passers. Romero is sharp, Dier has experience at CM, while Lenglet's passing is his only asset.
And yet when we're pressed we look like deer in the headlights? Is it mostly Lloris' fault?
It's the lack of midfield ahead of them, look at passing options from the back, either out to the wb who plays it back to them or a hoof in the general direction of Harry
 
It'll probably take more than a season. Pochettino's first season was OK but had big dips. I do think we're better now than we were then but the team has been set up to play regressive football for years, so reversing that and going the opposite way will take time.

Say we go 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1, pair up Bissouma/Bentancur then someone in the category of Olmo or Maddison would be a nice start. I'd also love Leeds to go down so we could have a shot at Gnoto, probably not ready to start yet but he's a livewire.

Beyond that a David Raya, i.e a keeper comfortable with a ball at his feet, would be ideal. We also badly need a partner for Romero. Personally I'm a big fan of Joachim Anderson but I get that some view him as a bit Dier esque.

Think CB is the biggest '?' as the top-tier talent (Gvardiol, Bastoni) isn't available to us. The posters who watch more European football are prob a bigger help there as they'll know more of the prospects. I know we were linked to Schuurs but have not watched him play at all tbh.

I also heard that Barca were maybe looking to sell Raphinha, which might be total bullshit but I'd love us to throw our hat in the ring for him .. but I don't think we will sign a right winger and expect us to seal Kulu & potentially bring back Gil.
Not seen much of Olmo recently, has he stood out in Bundesliga?

I wanted either Maddison or Olise for AM.
 
Doc Doc Why are we so bad from passing it out from the back and beating our press? Is it poor coaching or the players?

For example, with Romero Dier Lenglet... there's an argument that all 3 should be decent passers. Romero is sharp, Dier has experience at CM, while Lenglet's passing is his only asset.
And yet when we're pressed we look like deer in the headlights? Is it mostly Lloris' fault?
That doesn’t mean he’s a good passer. We know he’s not.

We have trouble breaking the press for a few reasons:

several players are poor with the ball - son, PEH, Dier and Lloris notably. Skipp is ok but is no dembele and he’s next to PEH.

Poor team shape. Our midfield 2 has trouble finding space and progressing the ball. This happens no matter who is in there so it’s likely a tactical issue. A world class CM might fix this issue but that’s a lot to ask.

Poor off ball movement. We see son and Kane especially constantly jogging off the ball and getting beat by a step. PEH is a hider. Romero is an excellent passer but there’s often no one to play.

Lack of variety. This is similar to the previous one. But it basically means we only have a few passing patterns and don’t improvise. Makes defending us easy as long as the opponents prepared for it. And clearly opponents figured us out after half a season of conte.
 
Quite one paced and gives the ball away far too much. Technically decent enough but not enough for us to spend a fortune on. I’ve seen him loads of times and he’s never controlled a game. Always on the edge of it.

I don't think he'd cost a fortune, certainly a lot less than Maddison, who equally, never controls games.

bus-conductor bus-conductor Pretty much what he said.

Brandt is a talented guy, no doubt. Good pair of feet, can pass, score. But is he that good and influential? No. Is he Borussia's go-to guy when things get tough, the one picking them up? Nope.

For me he's clearly not in the top 5-10 players in the Bundesliga and, mainly, I don't see him as a leader, fighter, a guy with massive balls. But that's exactly what we sooooooo desperately need at Spurs: frigging dogs, guys with huge character, who hate losing...minus the stupid as eff shithousery a la Romero.

And for all his talent, Brandt ain't that type.

Be hard pushed to name 5-10 guys who play his remit in the Bundesliga who are better than him - he's playing for the second best team most weeks. He's got higher XA90's than Maddison for example.

There's very few more versatile, he's played 8, 10, wide forward either side.

If you can suggest a guy who's creative, scores, has massive balls and "runs games" and then narrow it down to ones we could afford, I'd love to see that list. Wirz will cost more (and he's not exactly proven to be any better than Brandt has been) Maddison would cost loads more (and he doesn't control games with his huge balls either).

We don't just need one attacking/creative option either, we need 3 or 4, a complete new set, because the likes of Son, Kulusevski are fucking meh at best. Brandt would be great to have as one of them and cheaper than some.
 
Not seen much of Olmo recently, has he stood out in Bundesliga?

I wanted either Maddison or Olise for AM.

I haven't watched him super recently but thought he was excellent in the WC and I've always enjoyed watching him play. Think he's fallen out of favour there a bit, but still young & we may have to take a shot on a project type player. His numbers aren't good (at all) but he could add some technical ability to a team severely lacking it.
 
I don't think he'd cost a fortune, certainly a lot less than Maddison, who equally, never controls games.



Be hard pushed to name 5-10 guys who play his remit in the Bundesliga who are better than him - he's playing for the second best team most weeks. He's got higher XA90's than Maddison for example.

Maddison in an attack focused side in that league would have completely different numbers, you're comparing apples to oranges here, the Bundesliga is infamous defensively and Dortmund offer many more opportunities to create than Leicester do.
 
Entirely agree- just don’t think we need to prioritise a LB transfer given Udogie is coming too.

Udogie, whenever I've watched him, looks very disinterested in the defensive side of things and not exactly willing to run down the pitch as he is running up the pitch. I would be quite concerned if we wanted to play with attacking FB's in a back 4 system.

And we don't have any other viable LB's at the club. So even if Udogie is OK, we are going to need another one.

I quite like Truffert at Rennes. And I think we've been linked to him.
 
Udogie, whenever I've watched him, looks very disinterested in the defensive side of things and not exactly willing to run down the pitch as he is running up the pitch. I would be quite concerned if we wanted to play with attacking FB's in a back 4 system.

And we don't have any other viable LB's at the club. So even if Udogie is OK, we are going to need another one.

I quite like Truffert at Rennes. And I think we've been linked to him.
I think it makes most sense to stick with 343. Utilise Porro and Udogie.
 
I think it makes most sense to stick with 343. Utilise Porro and Udogie.

Fuck that. 2 in midfield just won't be pretty in this league unless you have a Kante. You're always going to be reliant on very quick transitions and very little control over the momentum of matches. It can work but it relied heavily on Kane/Son/Kulu massively outstripping their expected numbers and putting teams to the sword.

We don't have the midfield talent to play a 2 and we won't be getting it any time soon as those players are incredibly rare in modern football.
 
Maddison in an attack focused sides in that league would have completely different numbers, you're comparing apples to oranges here, the Bundesliga is infamous defensively and Dortmund offer many more opportunities to create than Leicester do.

I appreciate the BL is not the PL. Dortmund not Leicester etc. Just using it to make a point. Let's see who we end up with and how much we pay. But I'd have no problem with us bringing Brandt in at all. Good footballer, has a brain, can actually move with the ball as well as see a pass and scores. Can play 8/10/WF. He would cost less and in wages than someone like Maddison and be a definite positive addition to the nothingness we have right now.
 
I appreciate the BL is not the PL. Dortmund not Leicester etc. Just using it to make a point. Let's see who we end up with and how much we pay. But I'd have no problem with us bringing Brandt in at all. Good footballer, has a brain, can actually move with the ball as well as see a pass and scores. Can play 8/10/WF. He would cost less and in wages than someone like Maddison and be a definite positive addition to the nothingness we have right now.

I'd take him for sure. I'd take basically anyone who isn't scared of receiving the ball to feet and then passing forwards .. if they can take someone on as well then my god, go out and get them!!!

Some unpredictability would be ideal, with so many in our squad you can bet exactly what they'll try to do and 99/100 you'll be right. We have so many functional, one paced players in this squad & it leaves so little room for being exciting.
 
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