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It's highly amusing to me that this is what the remaining dregs of the ENIC in supporters are reduced to. Na na na na your protests are shit! I mean erm, we've just lost to Bournemouth and erm we're gonna be 7th and erm our star player is off and ermmm our DoF is a fraud and erm we don't have a manager but HA!!! Aren't you protesting badly!!!

I don't protest. I can't. What I do is not go to games or buy anything club related. I'm not responsible for what other fans do or don't do. I imagine the strengths of protests will grow exponentially over the next 3-4 years as we're facing the darkest period in a long while.

And I imagine you, stevee stevee AberdeenYid AberdeenYid and Get in! Get in! will still be coming in here after every matchweek where we get slapped up by some team with 1/4 of our resources & telling everyone they can't expect to be City, that we're better than we were under Sugar, and that the fans are just entitled.
Alternatively, the strength of feeling at Tottenham is nowhere near the strength of feeling that existed at Woolwich less than 2 years ago.

And yet, in less than 2 years, Woolwich are now doing very well.

Things move very quickly in football.
 
Usual boring posters who click X - even on factual posts.

Very excited to hear from the TottenhamFanTV crew about why Woolwich fans can put on a proper protest whereas we have a « rabbi » and 15 confused guys who failed maths and English.

Very interested to hear from the Levy Lover brigade why 2 teams with less resources/cheaper squads are above us and 2 teams with FAR LESS invested and FAR LESS RESOURCES are now right on our coattails with games in hand.

I mean, if we do finish behind Villa, Newcastle, Brighton & Woolwich, will the Levy Lover brigade still blame the oil clubs and the meanie owners who actually invest in their clubs? Or will they finally accept we stopped being 'well ran' years ago?

Find out next time, from the Levy loving brigade!
 
Alternatively, the strength of feeling at Tottenham is nowhere near the strength of feeling that existed at Woolwich less than 2 years ago.

And yet, in less than 2 years, Woolwich are now doing very well.

Things move very quickly in football.

Sure. I mean we're not as far in to our decline as they were at the time of the protests, but its coming.

Partly because the fans started demanding more, and the club started spending more and made big changes in terms of the way they were ran. So the fans kicking up a fuss & holding the club accountable had an impact.
 
Haha, I know you get up a lot of peoples noses , the things you say should make me feel the same. I’m not sure why but it actually doesn’t, I don’t agree with almost anything you say regarding ENIC but for some reason most of the time it raises a smile . I know as an avid ENIC out poster I’m in the minority ref your Alamo type defence of our not so beloved owners though
What is Alamo type défence?
 
Very interested to hear from the Levy Lover brigade why 2 teams with less resources/cheaper squads are above us and 2 teams with FAR LESS invested and FAR LESS RESOURCES are now right on our coattails with games in hand.

I mean, if we do finish behind Villa, Newcastle, Brighton & Woolwich, will the Levy Lover brigade still blame the oil clubs and the meanie owners who actually invest in their clubs? Or will they finally accept we stopped being 'well ran' years ago?

Find out next time, from the Levy loving brigade!
I have some clear answers for you.

The shorter the timespan, the greater the variability in results and the more chance there is for luck to determine outcomes. That should be very intuitive to you. In one game, unexpected results happen and people are surprised but not shocked. Man City drew 1-1 against Everton… they lost to Southampton and Man Utd in consecutive matches - relegation form!

As we lengthen the timespan then you expect luck to play a smaller role and skill to play a bigger role. This season is not finished yet so the best time to judge this season will be at the end of it. A season is a decent period of time. When we get there we’ll be able to assess our performance relative to other teams. Now is too soon to draw any grand conclusions - things are tight.

I hope you’ll agree with all of that.

In the end there are likely to be a number of over and under performing teams. Chelsea, Man Utd and Liverpool are likely to underperform this season. Brighton, Woolwich and Villa are likely to overperform. Hard to know for us. We could finish 5th (expected) but we could finish lower or even higher (even if unlikely!).

The ownership‘s performance is best viewed over even longer periods. Why? That’s because the leadership decisions Levy makes are not very responsive - they take effect over months and years and decades. That contrasts with the coach whose leadership decisions take effect over hours, days and weeks.

What does that long term performance look like? When you look over 5, 10 and 15 years then performance has been close to exemplary. It is almost impossible to overachieve over a long period of time without excellent leadership.

I hope that provides a clear and well-argued response to your questions.
 
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I have some clear answers for you.

The shorter the timespan, the greater the variability in results and the more chance there is for luck to determine outcomes. That should be very intuitive to you. In one game, unexpected results happen and people are surprised but not shocked. Man City drew 1-1 against Everton… they lost to Southampton and Man Utd in consecutive matches - relegation form!

As we lengthen the timespan then you expect luck to play a smaller role and skill to play a bigger role. This season is not finished yet so the best time to judge this season will be at the end of it. A season is a decent period of time. When we get there we’ll be able to assess our performance relative to other teams. Now is too soon to draw any grand conclusions - things are tight.

I hope you’ll agree with all of that.

In the end there are likely to be a number of over and under performing teams. Chelsea, Man Utd and Liverpool are likely to underperform this season. Brighton, Woolwich and Villa are likely to overperform. Hard to know for us. We could finish 5th (expected) but we could finish lower or even higher (even if unlikely!).

The ownership‘s performance is best viewed over even longer periods. Why? That’s because the leadership decisions Levy makes are not very responsive - they take effect over months and years and decades. That contracts with the coach whose leadership decisions take effect over hours, days and weeks.

What does that long term performance look like? When you look over 5, 10 and 15 years then performance has been close to exemplary. It is almost impossible to overachieve over a long period of time without excellent leadership.

I hope that provides a clear and well-argued response to your questions.

I don't disagree with it, I just know where we're headed. You can quote me on it. I've been saying it even when we were third because it was so obvious based on our actual quality of football. City lost these games due to bad luck whilst playing cohesively. If anything we were the luckiest team on the planet the week before to get 3 points vs Brighton. The way we play football will not get us positive results across a season.

Man Utd underperform? They appointed a new manager, won a cup, are deep in to the knockouts of two other cups, and are top 4 playing mostly cohesive football. Chelsea & Liverpool yes, they're in a mini-crisis, but these clubs have had very recent success and this season is more likely to be a blip. Our blip was finishing 4th under Conte, otherwise we're hovering round 6th/7th post-Poch. Same this season, you'll see.

Huh? So what, we need to wait for another decade to decide whether Levy goes or not? The football decisions have been bad for years now. He's made decisions which have led to frauds leading the football side of the club, so I highly doubt we're seeing building blocks for the future put in. Everything is a fucking mess mate, respectfully.

You won't find me saying that in terms of pure league performance, if we discount cups entirely, Levy/ENIC have over-performed in the past. But the methods they used to do so won't work in the current environment and they haven't kept pace with more data heavy, analytical clubs who are now punching far more above their weight than we are.

We used to be ahead of the curve in several departments - we're now behind. How we appoint managers, how we sign players, how we run the academy. It's all outdated & chaotic. We aren't remotely cohesive or progressive. Our manager search is once again a mess, to go with the mess of the last one, and the joke of appointing Jose before that.

The party is over under ENIC. I'm not blind and won't sit here and say they haven't done good things for the club, but I have zero faith whatsoever we will return to looking competently ran. There's no signs of that change at all. Maybe if I see some I'll become more patient, but right now its the same shit, different year. It'll only be more of the same next season.
 

Stadium walkout would be interesting , if we are 2 nil down on 23 mins it will be well supported. If unlikely as it might seem we are 2 nil up nobody will leave their seat . Well I will I need a piss every 23 minutes these days but I will be back by minute 26

Unless Mrs Perryman Mrs Perryman can pick me up a packet of Always Discreet Boutique next time she is in Boots to get some Nurofen
 
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Not sure you need to ask for X clicks , you are doing pretty well without the begging from what I can see mate
Ignore him mate, the fella has been trolling and trying to wind people up for a while now.
Sheer arrogance from this twat, and others of his kind that if you disagree they somehow want to out you.
He has no competitive bone in his body, just like his boss he is proud not just tick along and achieve square root of fuck all.
 
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As our resident TottenhamFanTV leaders - can you explain the difference between our protests and this one less than two years ago?



Isn’t it embarrassing that Woolwich fans can put on a proper protest whereas you’re just full of excuses?

This is why I don’t really buy into the doom and gloom. Woolwich supposedly had the worst owners ever a couple years ago and now all of a sudden they’re a great example of how a club should be run.

But apparently we’re headed for midtable mediocrity.
 
Ignore him mate, the fella has been trolling and trying to wind people up for a while now.
Sheer arrogance from this twat, and others of his kind that if you disagree they somehow want to put you.
He has no competitive bone in his body, just like his boss he is proud not just tick along and achieve square root of fuck all.
I must admit as much as I am Levy Out i can’t get wound up to much by the Levy In brigade . Life’s to short , at least it seems that way to me now I’m 61. People are entitled to have an opposing view


Also and perhaps more to the point ENIC are going nowhere no matter how much I loathe them owning the club . So to get wound up over something that you can have no control over changing will just raise my blood pressure for no upside
 
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But apparently we’re headed for midtable mediocrity.
Well, I’m pretty pessimistic as we’re a one dimensional show pony, and the pony will be leaving either this Summer or next.

I don’t think we have the ability to successfully replace Harry Kane’s goals and assists and we’re not very good at defending.

So I think we will drop further down the table.
 
Stadium walkout would be interesting , if we are 2 nil down on 23 mins it will be well supported. If unlikely as it might seem we are 2 nil up nobody will leave their seat . Well I will I need a piss every 23 minutes these days but I will be back by minute 26

Unless Mrs Perryman Mrs Perryman can pick me up a packet of Always Discreet Boutique next time she is in Boots to get some Nurofen
You are an example of the root of the issue. You would love a stadium walk out. I can hear it in the tone of your message. You sound like some evil movie villain rubbing your hands together. Do you know the hit on the club profits that walkouts and the damage to the club reputation it would bring. You really think this will improve things. You care nothing for the repercussions this would bring. Levy got us one of the best stadiums in the world. The stadium is a statement and provides an image to others. Other clubs are jealous of our stadium. I bet you give levy and Enic no credit whatsoever. Support the club and players no matter what is what a real fan's role and responsibilities of a supporter should be. You can always support another club if you are not happy.
 
This is why I don’t really buy into the doom and gloom. Woolwich supposedly had the worst owners ever a couple years ago and now all of a sudden they’re a great example of how a club should be run.

But apparently we’re headed for midtable mediocrity.

Yes, we are. Woolwich had years of being utter shit before they turned it around, so why wouldn't we face the same? We had our little good period under Pochettino. Everything at the club right now is a mess and will take years to fix without a massive cash injection, which we will not get. In fact we will scale all that down with no European football.

We may well recover in 5-6 years, but the overwhelming likelihood is we're staring down a dark period post Kane.
 
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