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Charmed, but I stand in solidarity with the melts and nutters who share my conviction that the club needs change at the top, even if I also find their tone and arguments occasionally unconvincing. I find the excuses and spin for the ENIC regime far more grating if made to choose.

For whatever it's worth I broadly agree with your prescription for the best path forward over the next year for Levy & Co. However, I both don't expect it to be followed, and think the failure to do so will be part and parcel of the toxic values of the club's leadership that are the real problem here, not the tactical principals of our rotating carousel of managers.
My patience has limits too. But I think Levy is a smart man and he wants what’s best for the club.

My position could materially shift in the next year if it goes as badly as you expect it to.
 
to be fair Deuterz Deuterz - I believe you when you say that you would credit Levy if we improved results and performances.

I think your reaction is too strong given how quickly football changes. It reminds me of the Gauls in Astérix who are constantly afraid the sky will hit them on the head. Ultimately money talks so we’ll revert to the mean over time. But you’re honest.

These bunch of jokers really are a mess though.




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Even when results and performances were great, these people were ENIC out!

If TottenhamFanTV does become a thing then these people will be front and centre, embarrassing themselves and our club for all the world to see.
Not being happy with how he treated Jol doesn’t automatically make you want ENIC out , it was saying when I first had my suspicions about him. Early transfer policies too

Maybe just get to the point when your contrarian , tangents tie yourself up in knots so we don’t have to scroll past your graphs & pie charts

Merci 👍
 
You haven’t addressed the whole finishing 3 points above 10th recently thing. Or the season after where we were 3 points ahead of Leeds in 8th.

It’s very clearly a possibility if just a small drop of level occurs.
The same seasons where Woolwich were in a similar position but managed to turn it around?

Those were two seasons under Mourinho during Covid. We were nowhere near that last season and are nearly double digits above 10th this season when we’re in a crisis.

We have a good squad and based on the people we’re linked with will probably get a decent manager this summer who will actually set the team up to play football.

We have and will spend enough that we won’t be dropping down to mid table.
 
Richarlison’s best season is 13 goals. Zero for us so far. We better hope he turns it around.

Just checked on Toney. His contract is through to 2025 so I’m assuming 40/50 million, depending on interest?

These are punts though. And strikers take time to bed in; see Nunez at Liverpool.

I’m not a negative Nancy. Like Deuterz Deuterz , nothing would bring me more pleasure than having to eat crow and watch us storm back up the table. I just really think we’re in bad shape. And our stadium won’t help. The squad is unbalanced, full of too many average players and I our talisman is likely off.

What would help us is Bissouma turning into an absolute monster 6/8 and allowing us to add some creativity to the midfield.
Possibly Poch or Nagelman could turn things around with a rebuild, especially with the young talent we have. Sadly I think Levy will stick his oar into Poch coming back and showing him up for the tool he is, whilst Nagelman probably has more sense. It's like we need an exorcism.
 
Possibly Poch or Nagelman could turn things around with a rebuild, especially with the young talent we have. Sadly I think Levy will stick his oar into Poch coming back and showing him up for the tool he is, whilst Nagelman probably has more sense. It's like we need an exorcism.
What’s this young talent I keep seeing posted all over the place? Because if you ask me, no young player we have is remarkable. I think the bar is so low that a couple of forward passes or runs are making Spurs fan wet themselves.
 
And then that unit's chief executive was banned from his job by FIFA, reigniting the familiar chaos and confusion as to who controls transfer policy at Spurs.

Daniel Levy's not personally responsible for Juventus' bookkeeping, but nonetheless, here we are again.
Every big club has had chaos over the past year apart from maybe Woolwich. Some more than others. It happens.

Let’s fix it.
 
You express yourself clearly and thoughtfully - i dont think you’d be invited back for a second appearance on TottenhamFanTV unfortunately.

However, how can you have been 50/50 in 2018 after15 years of steady improvement and a decade of over performance. More consistent European competition than any time in our history, our second best league form in our history… that’s the bit I’m stuck on. Last 5 years is deserving of anger but that anger should have hit after a decade of happiness and love, no?
Fair question and really it was some good some bad. Some of the football had been good, some good signings, appointing Arnesen, Redknapp, Poch. But in the debit column Stratford, sacking Jol at half time, not backing Redknapp when we were close to being really good, dreadful appointments like Santini, Ramos and AVB.

Nobodys perfect and i was happy to give them the benefit of the doubt upto a point. The benefit of the doubt is long gone now. 23 years is too long for anybody to be in charge of anything, fresh ideas come along and make you superfluous.
 
It is not the law of averages that we would have the longest period of European qualification in our history, meet or exceed expected League finishes for 11 out of 13 seasons, or have the second best period of league form in our history. Our strong performance is sustained over time.

It also predates Pochettino by many years. Our revenue was 6th in the league and our league finishes BEFORE Poch were 6 - 5 - 4 - 5- 4. We overperformed in 4 out of the 5 seasons before Poch came.

Your theory doesn’t align with the facts. How do you explain this consistent over performance relative to our resources?

You’ve got to do a lot of handwaving.
Let’s look at that period , Liverpool were taken to the brink of bankruptcy by Gillette and Hicks creating a Liverpool meltdown , hence an opportunity. Klopp and FSG have turned that around , this year being an exception . The Arse punched above their weight for many years as they were selling their best players and buying cheap to finance a stadium.

Both these clubs had financial strain and yes we took advantage , but for a number of years Liverpool and the Arse were not the financial power houses compared to us in terms of available funds that you like to make out . Liverpool were where we were at the end of the Scholar reign under Gillette and Hicks , they did a better job of turning it around and sharpish
 
Are you hoping Paratici's ban is overturned on appeal?
Honestly? Yes. That would be the least risky option with good upside. He did a terrible job with managerial appointments but if we can get that right then I trust him to but quality young players. His signings will look a lot better in a side that try to play football. Players like Bissouma, Porro, Richy, Udogie, and Gil could all look A LOT better. Bentancur and Kulu too.

If he doesn’t then it will be another huge decision to get right.

I hope the people and structures Paratici put in place will pay off.
 
Let’s look at that period , Liverpool were taken to the brink of bankruptcy by Gillette and Hicks creating a Liverpool meltdown , hence an opportunity. Klopp and FSG have turned that around , this year being an exception . The Arse punched above their weight for many years as they were selling their best players and buying cheap to finance a stadium.

Both these clubs had financial strain and yes we took advantage , but for a number of years Liverpool and the Arse were not the financial power houses compared to us in terms of available funds that you like to make out . Liverpool were where we were at the end of the Scholar reign under Gillette and Hicks , they did a better job of turning it around and sharpish
They also had significantly higher revenue than us. Woolwich's revenue in 2010 was twice as high as us. Liverpools 65% higher. We had a HUGE gap to close. Those differences didn’t just apply in 2010 - they repeated year after year. They were in a different league financially to us.

You’re finding reasons for Woolwich's underperformance post stadium opening but not giving us the same sympathy after our stadium opened?

Sure Liverpool we’re being mismanaged but you have to be there to take their place. And they were a team that had reached two champions league finals in the previous decade - they had a huge reputational advantage over us.

Fundamentally your position runs into the following problem. If Levy plays a significant role in football success then you have to credit him with the high performance mentioned and stop looking for extraneous reasons. In that case he can take the full force of the blame the past 5 years. However if Levy doesn’t play a significant role in football success then you can keep finding reasons but you have to severely temper your blame for the current situation.
 
They also had significantly higher revenue than us. Woolwich's revenue in 2010 was twice as high as us. Liverpools 65% higher. We had a HUGE gap to close. Those differences didn’t just apply in 2010 - they repeated year after year. They were in a different league financially to us.

You’re finding reasons for Woolwich's underperformance post stadium opening but not giving us the same sympathy after our stadium opened?

Sure Liverpool we’re being mismanaged but you have to be there to take their place. And they were a team that had reached two champions league finals in the previous decade - they had a huge reputational advantage over us.

Fundamentally your position runs into the following problem. If Levy plays a significant role in football success then you have to credit him with the high performance mentioned and stop looking for extraneous reasons. In that case he can take the full force of the blame the past 5 years. However if Levy doesn’t play a significant role in football success then you can keep finding reasons but you have to severely temper your blame for the current situation.
Talking about history pre the Prem and CL is pointless it changed football forever , not for the better in my view . I think Everton , Wolves , Newcastle , Forest and Villa fans would agree with that .

So if we look at the modern era would I say we are better off than in 1992 , do I credit Levy with any of that , yes . Do I think in 23 years overall he he’s been poor on the football side very much so . Do i find the way he behaves a positive or negative on our reputation, almost exclusively negative in my opinion.

Do I think he got extremely lucky with Poch, undoubtedly
 
Talking about history pre the Prem and CL is pointless it changed football forever , not for the better in my view . I think Everton , Wolves , Newcastle , Forest and Villa fans would agree with that .

So if we look at the modern era would I say we are better off than in 1992 , do I credit Levy with any of that , yes . Do I think in 23 years overall he he’s been poor on the football side very much so . Do i find the way he behaves a positive or negative on our reputation, almost exclusively negative in my opinion.

Do I think he got extremely lucky with Poch, undoubtedly
Is levy responsible for results on the football side?

Not at all / a little / a lot / completely ?
 
I've been clear on here that I'm not really bothered about who owns the club. What I want to see is good football and we haven't.

That is what I want next. That is what cannot get fucked up.

We all remember the programme notes of how we were going to get back to the Tottenham way...then we appointed Jose, Nuno and Conte!

If they bring me entertaining football then I'll be happy.
 
I've been clear on here that I'm not really bothered about who owns the club. What I want to see is good football and we haven't.

That is what I want next. That is what cannot get fucked up.

We all remember the programme notes of how we were going to get back to the Tottenham way...then we appointed Jose, Nuno and Conte!

If they bring me entertaining football then I'll be happy.
Gréât post- amazing post, one of the best

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Honest John Honest John ;)
 
I am just curious and I mean this as a genuine question now for everyone, Levy in, Levy out, fuck Levy etc.

I don't care where you stand, just a simple question that requires a simple answer, no goalpost shifting, no deflection, just a straightforward honest answer.


Ok, the question...


At what point does Daniel Levy's position become untenable to you as an individual?


Again, straightforward question, just want to know what everyone's breaking point is and get a sense of what it will actually take for different posters.

When he gets arrested for criminal behaviour.

Until then he can pretty much do as he wants as he part owns the club.
 
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