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Management Levy / ENIC

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Levy In or Levy Out


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Dunno if anyone else there saw them but I thought the black balloons were a bit rubbish. Loudest the Levy out chants have been since the last time we were playing Man U. Maybe it’s something about playing them!
Surely missed a trick because of pennywise the clown & red balloons. Something to work with there.
 
Nimbewimble? Enjoy groundhog season then as you will be hearing the same complaints about Levy for another ten or tenth years

Step back, to move forward

We don't need to step back as far as relegation though. Absolutely no guarantees that leads us anywhere good.

Step back in terms of resetting, getting an actual game plan and squad to match it together (a project in other words), absolutely - which means accepting we won't be competing for trophies anytime soon.

So no - anyone who thinks relegation is the solution is, indeed, a nimblewimble.

Deal with it.
 
We don't need to step back as far as relegation though. Absolutely no guarantees that leads us anywhere good.

Step back in terms of resetting, getting an actual game plan and squad to match it together (a project in other words), absolutely - which means accepting we won't be competing for trophies anytime soon.

So no - anyone who thinks relegation is the solution is, indeed, a nimblewimble.

Deal with it.
It’s a hard reset though. Shite players like Perisic, Sanchez, Dier and PEH will all hang around for another year or two diluting any go forward project.
I also think it will be a more enjoyable fan experience for the match goers (for a season anyway) and cull the day trippers, neutrals and selfie Son fans
 
Could relegation result in drastic changes that improve us? Sure, but it’s low probability. Decent chance we get rid of levy and the replacement is not much better and then we are in a similar position in the championship.

It’s an extreme wish and it’s optimistic to assume relegation would be a good thing and not lead to complete disaster. There’s plenty of clubs that don’t make it back.

Everton is probably the closest example. If they go down and don’t make it back in one season, they could turn into a yo-yo club. Id have a hard time seeing them recover and go above a club like Brighton within the next decade.

Decent chance it would take us 10+ years to recover and make it back to the top 6. And with all the money in the PL, that could be a top 8 by then and even harder to break into.
Everton’s finances are so the complete opposite of our stable platform. 100% different to us
 
It’s a hard reset though. Shite players like Perisic, Sanchez, Dier and PEH will all hang around for another year or two diluting any go forward project.
I also think it will be a more enjoyable fan experience for the match goers (for a season anyway) and cull the day trippers, neutrals and selfie Son fans

Ok. I mean I do understand your point. I just don't think we need/want to go that extreme, personally.

But I'll politely agree to disagree, and accept you have some valid points.
 
It’s a hard reset though. Shite players like Perisic, Sanchez, Dier and PEH will all hang around for another year or two diluting any go forward project.
I also think it will be a more enjoyable fan experience for the match goers (for a season anyway) and cull the day trippers, neutrals and selfie Son fans
I’d like a hard reset too but I’m not convinced relegation is the best method.
 
Zomb you don't think anti semtism is vile? Strange stance for a spurs fan to take but that's your perogative I guess
I've watched it a few times and I don't see anything anti semitic. What am I missing?
That's a pretty serious allegation you're making there. One that should be substantiated.
 
But you think he doesn't have the club's best interest at heart, ergo he will sell to a bad owner.

So be as well keeping him?

:mourloopy:
Wrong! My response. He doesn’t have the best interests of the club at heart, £££ is the biggest interest he has at heart. So he will sell to the biggest bidder.

Now can you reply to mine rather than deflect? Do you think levy would sell to a bad owner? Yes or no please?
 
Wrong! My response. He doesn’t have the best interests of the club at heart, £££ is the biggest interest he has at heart. So he will sell to the biggest bidder.

Now can you reply to mine rather than deflect? Do you think levy would sell to a bad owner? Yes or no please?
Yes. So then I have to wonder will selling the club make things even worse.
 
Now we're getting somewhere, Jim...

Yes that's about right - and thanks for paraphrasing my reply, I appreciate that. :)
No problem...like you said, it's a good thing to be able to restate/paraphrase another's point. Keeps everyone focused...
The only change I'd make is minor
Minor, you say? Ok, let's have it...
I wouldn't say it's 'unfair' to criticise
To be clear, you "wouldn't say it's 'unfair' to criticize" Levy/ENIC based on the trophy-less decade?*** Ok, this is an interesting point...I'm interested to see where it goes, why, and under what conditions...but it stands to reason if someone doesn't find a particular line of criticism unfair then they'd agree with it...but we'll see...
I'm saying that my criteria for success doesn't result in that criticism
...and again, to be clear, your criteria of success is what, exactly? We've beaten around that bush but we've never really speciated it. I think it would help if you clearly defined what your criteria for success is...I can surmise that it is not based on trophy haul (but I'd still want clarity and precision). And though we've reference league position and respective finals we've only attributed it to nebulous ENIC IN entity.

But I can see this...the Poch years were awesome, getting up and knowing someone might be in for a drubbing, "your fucking shit", team of animals, etc etc. But I'd like to be clear of your position, or whichever you're arguing.

But I asked/my statement began...
So, for you, the answer is NO
I'm saying that my criteria for success doesn't result in that criticism
That is according to YOUR criteria...and since you utilize different criteria then by definition you believe any other criteria is less than optimal, unfair, wrong, etc etc etc...whatever the case may be but it's not the best. Right? That stands to reason. You, scarletjim, think the best/most fair set of criteria is your own...right? I'm not sure this is controversial because I believe everyone that has ever lived thinks their take is best.

But this also means that you think yours is the most fair criteria (as everybody does)...unless you are saying that you are a person walking around with knowledge of a more fair set of criteria that you are eschewing for whatever particular reason that I'm sure many would be interested to hear about...

But most importantly, according to YOUR criteria (which I stated in the post to which you replied), it is thus unfair criticism to levy the trophy-less decade on Levy/ENIC...because your criteria isn't based on trophy haul it is based on something we'll hopefully learn about in a subsequent post. And according to YOUR criteria is what I am asking...no one else's criteria matters here.

Not sure I can agree with that change being minor, Jim...


***I get that this point is followed by "according to THEIR criteria" later in the post. I'm just responding in flow of the post and not in any way attempting to mischaracterize your reply...that should be abundantly clear but sometimes...in situations like this...folks will look for any reason to escape...not suggesting you'd do that but just getting out ahead of anything.
 
Yes that's about right - and thanks for paraphrasing my reply, I appreciate that. :) The only change I'd make is minor - I wouldn't say it's 'unfair' to criticise - I'm saying that my criteria for success doesn't result in that criticism - for others like yourself with a different criteria, it's perfectly fair to criticise Levy etc (hence it being the 2nd bullet on my ENIC OUT list in my original post).
Sorry, Jim...but I responded to the original and not this edit...didn't even know this edit existed...
 
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