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Management Next Manager Poll (poll reset 11/04/23)

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Next Manager

  • Rodgers

    Votes: 15 3.6%

  • Potter

    Votes: 25 5.9%

  • Nagelsmann

    Votes: 177 41.9%

  • Kompany

    Votes: 43 10.2%

  • Slot

    Votes: 91 21.6%

  • Postecoglou

    Votes: 74 17.5%

  • De Zerbi

    Votes: 31 7.3%

  • Xabi Alonso

    Votes: 11 2.6%

  • Stellini

    Votes: 4 0.9%

  • Frank

    Votes: 10 2.4%

  • Luis Enrique

    Votes: 21 5.0%

  • Zidane

    Votes: 5 1.2%

  • Glasner

    Votes: 3 0.7%

  • Amorim

    Votes: 10 2.4%

  • Carrick

    Votes: 9 2.1%

  • Gallardo

    Votes: 23 5.5%

  • Schmidt

    Votes: 2 0.5%
  • Total voters
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Rotterdam said:
Yep. We were convinced it was done. The forums, social media, tv, it looked like a done deal. Lot of emotional responses on the fan forums.

We were highly surprised to read this morning that Slot decided to stay.


It is not even sure that a price was even mentioned. Feyenoord GM Te Kloese has been playing hardball and did everything to get Slot to remain at the club. And for good reason: Slot's added value to Feyenoord (player valuation, prize money, titles, sponsors) on a yearly basis is at least 50 million.

What is clear is that Slot was open to a move to Tottenham. He always circumvented every question in the press about him wanting to stay, he always kept his options open. What's also clear is that Tottenham did not negotiate with Feyenoord. Slot's manager Pimenta negotiated with Feyenoord. Maybe that's how it works in 2023, but I think it's strange that Tottenham wasn't directly involved in the negotiations yesterday. I would have expected direct contact between Levy and Te Kloese.

If the asking price was indeed about 20 million, I could imagine that that would have been a pretty hard nut to crack. Slot has been by far (!) the best coach I've ever seen at Feyenoord, but the Eredivisie is not the Premier League. I have no doubt that he will end up coaching in England, maybe after next season, so it will be interesting to see what could have been.

I wish you guys luck with finding the right people.
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Good time to be a Feyenoord fan!!!

Te Klose played it to perfection and Levy got played.
 
Rotterdam said:
Yep. We were convinced it was done. The forums, social media, tv, it looked like a done deal. Lot of emotional responses on the fan forums.

We were highly surprised to read this morning that Slot decided to stay.


It is not even sure that a price was even mentioned. Feyenoord GM Te Kloese has been playing hardball and did everything to get Slot to remain at the club. And for good reason: Slot's added value to Feyenoord (player valuation, prize money, titles, sponsors) on a yearly basis is at least 50 million.

What is clear is that Slot was open to a move to Tottenham. He always circumvented every question in the press about him wanting to stay, he always kept his options open. What's also clear is that Tottenham did not negotiate with Feyenoord. Slot's manager Pimenta negotiated with Feyenoord. Maybe that's how it works in 2023, but I think it's strange that Tottenham wasn't directly involved in the negotiations yesterday. I would have expected direct contact between Levy and Te Kloese.

If the asking price was indeed about 20 million, I could imagine that that would have been a pretty hard nut to crack. Slot has been by far (!) the best coach I've ever seen at Feyenoord, but the Eredivisie is not the Premier League. I have no doubt that he will end up coaching in England, maybe after next season, so it will be interesting to see what could have been.

I wish you guys luck with finding the right people.
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What a thoroughly nice chap. Not sure you'll fit in here!

Get in! said:
So just because we haven't done it in the past means we will never do it? If we can offer 15m/year contracts to managers, I'm pretty sure we can pay compensation to a club to prise away their manager. Even more so when compensation + manager salary will cost us less than what we have paid in salaries alone for previous managers.
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Yes, Exactly that.
Are you not done defending them yet?
Seriously?
 
Matt1882 said:
Name me 1 manager in the entire history of the ENIC/Levy era where we've paid more than chump change in compensation?
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Significant compensation for a manager is a pretty new phenomenon.

Chelsea buying AVB from Porto was the first time I ever recall seeing meaningful figures attached to a manager moving, and it was definitely remarked upon as a sea change at the time.

It makes good sense, for lesser clubs these promising managers are very valuable commodities.
 
We are sitting comfortably in our first class seats, riding the express train right down south to Relegation Town. Everton might just get off a station earlier last minute this weekend.

I'm not usually that negative, and this is also doesnt have so much to do with Slot staying at Feyenoord. We had the same exact embarassing situation 2 years ago.

Keep at this pace and we will slowly but surely find it comfy in the double digit league finishes.
 
Richard Arlison said:
Te Klose played it to perfection and Levy got played.
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It's a real problem how well-known the negotiation strategy against Levy has become.

Quote a huge figure and refuse to budge. Levy will either move on to a cheaper option or completely cave.

The last classic bit of Levy negotiating flair was the Lo Celso deal, that was four years ago.

The attempt to leverage something similar with Porro ended with us paying MORE than the release clause.

He's totally lost what he once had. All the HUR DUR BUT WE WUZ BAD IN THE 90'S shit totally fails to engage with that reality.
 
FightingIllini said:
Total speculation on my part, but perhaps Slot seeing how Levy was treating a comparative pittance in compensation to Feyenoord woke him up to the realities of what the necessary squad rebuild would look like at Spurs.
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It's not that simple. First of all Slot probably never had a discussion about squad rebuild because we never spoke directly to Slot. But even if we did, depending on what he was asking for there would have been some discussions on how it would be achieved and what the timeline would be given player contracts, finances, etc etc. At which point he may have said "nope, sorry, doesn't work for me." Fair enough and you move on.

I doubt he "woke Levy up" or that we were treating the "pittance" of a compensation as the main obstacle.
 
Let's assume the board know what they are doing for a minute. I know but just for shits and giggles...

This would mean that, because they knew Conte would be going at the end of the season, they had someone in mind to appoint in the summer.

When Conte went early, they went with Stellini which plays into the assumption they had someone in mind.

When Stellini went, they still chose not to appoint anyone permanently.

Naglesmann became available - didn't want him.
Poch available - didn't want him.
If it was Rodgers/Potter they want, why haven't they sorted it?

Who do they think they are waiting for?
 
From The Athletic:

How did this happen? The Feyenoord perspective is that this was a decision based more on Slot’s desire to continue his great work with them and have a crack at next season’s Champions League.
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So:

Levy sacks Conte with no plan, hands the job to his assistant who changes nothing, we slide out of the Champion's League spots, and now the manager Levy wanted will not take the job because there's no Champion's League football.

Levy remains a master strategist
 
FightingIllini said:
Significant compensation for a manager is a pretty new phenomenon.

Chelsea buying AVB from Porto was the first time I ever recall seeing meaningful figures attached to a manager moving, and it was definitely remarked upon as a sea change at the time.

It makes good sense, for lesser clubs these promising managers are very valuable commodities.
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Sugar paid Leeds £6mil for Graham. Embarrassing to this day
 
More:

During conversations with various sources over the last few weeks, a recurring theme has been the idea that Tottenham are a manager’s graveyard. Spurs fans will have their own, mainly less positive, views on Jose Mourinho and Conte, but they are two of the most respected head coaches/managers in the game. And they failed at the club, having largely succeeded everywhere else in their careers. It’s been suggested that some prospective head coaches have looked at that and been given pause for thought.

Conte himself, admittedly partly self-servingly, made this point in that post-Southampton rant: “The fault is only for the club, or for every manager that stay here? I have seen the managers that Tottenham had on the bench.”

He also said Spurs’ players were essentially unmanageable, and irrespective of the extent to which you agree with him, that is hardly going to help the club when making a case to candidates for his old gig.

Most managers have big egos and would back themselves to be the one who would make things work. But they might also look at the battering Mourinho and Conte took while in charge and consider the job a poisoned chalice. Especially as whoever gets it this time will be the fifth permanent manager Tottenham have had in five summers.
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theathletic.com

What happened with Arne Slot and why can't Spurs appoint a manager?

It's two months since Spurs sacked Antonio Conte, yet with Arne Slot now staying at Feyenoord, their wait for a replacement continues...
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kcspurs said:
From The Athletic:



So:

Levy sacks Conte with no plan, hands the job to his assistant who changes nothing, we slide out of the Champion's League spots, and now the manager Levy wanted will not take the job because there's no Champion's League football.

Levy remains a master strategist
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he didnt sack Conte did he? the press reported that Conte walked, or rather flew back to italy and refused to return despite levy still wanting him to see out the season
 
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