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ENIC In or ENIC Out

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BernardMatthews said:
He’s probably going to turn an investment from ENIC of less than £100m into £3b +.

Incredible piece of business in an industry where football clubs regularly fail.
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Just a really fundamentally unserious interpretation.

I don't know what you mean by "fail", but every club that was anywhere near Spurs peer at the absolute nadir of the Sugar era remains a massively valuable and thriving business. They'd all be billion pound assets.

The Premier League was a very good investment for ENIC, as it was for everyone else who has been involved. The collective TV rights make up almost the entirety of the boom in valuation.

But, it is also true that infrastructure and transfer market shrewdness and other investments saw Spurs speed away from the likes of Everton, Villa and West Ham in the first two decades of Levy's leadership. Up towards the financial levels of Woolwich, Liverpool, even United.

Villa are back in Europe under better capitalized ownership than ENIC and are expanding Villa Park. Everton will survive to enter their gleaming new money-spinning stadium as a PL side. West Ham might win a European trophy in 10 days time.

And we've re-detached from the top of the division in revenue terms after scratching and clawing our way to parity over a 20 year period.

The competition doesn't end when you have a momentary advantage. The re-Sugar-ization is upon us.
 
le grand coq said:
Exactly. I'm am not even particularly Enic in tbh. They may have taken the club as far as they can? I just don't think they are destroying the club like many seem to say.

So just pointing out that they have not been the catastrophic failure that many of the shouty 'entitled' lot constantly make out.

They have done an absolute fantastic job with the stadium & training ground. FACT

They have been successful in maintaining our position as a top 8 club in an increasingly tough football landscape where other similar sized clubs have struggled. FACT

Negative. They have not been as successful as we wanted in the cups.

It's not rocket science, if you have half a brain you can see that.

Unfortunately many on here don't even seem to have half a brain.
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I respect your point of view but there was no need for the last sentence

If that’s really how you feel why come on the Forum?
 
FightingIllini said:
Just a really fundamentally unserious interpretation.

I don't know what you mean by "fail", but every club that was anywhere near Spurs peer at the absolute nadir of the Sugar era remains a massively valuable and thriving business. They'd all be billion pound assets.

The Premier League was a very good investment for ENIC, as it was for everyone else who has been involved. The collective TV rights make up almost the entirety of the boom in valuation.

But, it is also true that infrastructure and transfer market shrewdness and other investments saw Spurs speed away from the likes of Everton, Villa and West Ham in the first two decades of Levy's leadership. Up towards the financial levels of Woolwich, Liverpool, even United.

Villa are back in Europe under better capitalized ownership than ENIC and are expanding Villa Park. Everton will survive to enter their gleaming new money-spinning stadium as a PL side. West Ham might win a European trophy in 10 days time.

And we've re-detached from the top of the division in revenue terms after scratching and clawing our way to parity over a 20 year period.

The competition doesn't end when you have a momentary advantage. The re-Sugar-ization is upon us.
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I think in some ways this is a decent well thought out post & sums up people's frustration.

What I will say is that you are incredibly premature in saying Villa, Everton & West Ham will overtake us.

If they do for a SUSTAINED period you can point the finger.

But if we take off the Spurs specs ,
You can legitimately say
Villa & Everton are similar size clubs to us.

So why shouldn't they be able to compete with us?

Just like if we remove the same specs we can probably legitimately say
Liverpool, Man U & Woolwich are bigger clubs so why should we be able to compete with them?


West Ham are nowhere near as big as any of the traditional big 6 clubs above.

They just lucked out coz they were given a free fkin stadium.
 
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le grand coq said:
I'm not disputing poor decisions were made.

I'm simply looking at the whole picture & how football has evolved.

We still maintained a decent league position. FACT

Everton a similar sized club to us have not even made top 10 since Carlo. They are in danger of relegation ffs. They have a genuine reason to cry.


I agree we are in a slump but in the grand scheme of things it's not anywhere near as horrendous as people on here make out.

Sure it's disappointing but get a grip & some genuine perspective ffs 🙄.
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You forgot Spurs haven't 'done a Leeds'.

God bless Levy & ENIC for saving us from that.
 
8th then. This is where they came in and should be when they go. If it were a 1 or even 2 season blip then not an issue but this has been brewing for for 5 years. Unlikely to get better anytime soon with Son looking fit for the knackers yard and the Kane situation. They'll cling on but they really should be putting the club up for sale or at least we should be seeing some boardroom resignations.
 
LeParisien said:
There are about 5 or 6 Levy In posters who have posted regularly - Get in! Get in! , AberdeenYid AberdeenYid , le grand coq le grand coq , LeParisien LeParisien , stevee stevee maybe scarletjim scarletjim … these posters all appeal to reason and evidence rather than entrenched positions. Is there anyone I’m forgetting in my bias? They’re clearly some of the posters more comfortable developing an argument.

Only arguable one is professional contrarian Shadydan Shadydan who is ENIC out but argues with everyone.

There are maybe 15/16 regular posters who are ENIC Out and maybe 2 or 3 of those who appeal to reason and evidence. The rest dismissively say the time for discussion has passed or cherry pick the contextual factors that help their argument whilst brazenly ignoring others. That’s not fair.

So yes, your characterisation is a false equivalence.

And to be absolutely clear it is possible to be ENIC out by appealing to evidence and reason and you have expressed yourself very well.

Ultimately if this has turned into a kind of frustrating politics then it’s because most people are not engaging in good faith. On that we agree. But it’s not really both sides - if this is going to be useful we need both sides to agree to the kind of discourse you promote.
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Fucking hell, one bubble , one sweaty , 2 pomme frittes, one plastic paddy and bollocks knows what the last one is .
Enic's little gang of misfit shit cakes.
Levy's welcome to them
 
TRAUMA HOUND said:
8th place finish

A season of real overachievement

Incredible to see how far we've come under ENIC
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FightingIllini said:
Just a really fundamentally unserious interpretation.

I don't know what you mean by "fail", but every club that was anywhere near Spurs peer at the absolute nadir of the Sugar era remains a massively valuable and thriving business. They'd all be billion pound assets.

The Premier League was a very good investment for ENIC, as it was for everyone else who has been involved. The collective TV rights make up almost the entirety of the boom in valuation.

But, it is also true that infrastructure and transfer market shrewdness and other investments saw Spurs speed away from the likes of Everton, Villa and West Ham in the first two decades of Levy's leadership. Up towards the financial levels of Woolwich, Liverpool, even United.

Villa are back in Europe under better capitalized ownership than ENIC and are expanding Villa Park. Everton will survive to enter their gleaming new money-spinning stadium as a PL side. West Ham might win a European trophy in 10 days time.

And we've re-detached from the top of the division in revenue terms after scratching and clawing our way to parity over a 20 year period.

The competition doesn't end when you have a momentary advantage. The re-Sugar-ization is upon us.
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Look at the original football clubs in the premier league. They all had the same opportunity spurs had. Are they all doing that well as businesses?

Come back to me on that.

From the same start ENIC and levy have made a lot more money for themselves and a number of associated business.
A simple walk down the high road will confirm that to you.

And Villa? Everton and West Ham. You are serious in saying they are currently in a similar financial situation to us?? Please……
 
FightingIllini said:
Villa are back in Europe under better capitalized ownership than ENIC and are expanding Villa Park. Everton will survive to enter their gleaming new money-spinning stadium as a PL side. West Ham might win a European trophy in 10 days time.
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This thread always makes me laugh with some of the clubs we get compared to.

A few years ago it was Leicester, now look at them.

Yesterday we were getting compared to Newcastle under Mike Ashley.

This season all i've read is how we should be copying Brighton and Brentford models.

Now I'm reading about Villa, Everton and West Ham... fucking hell. West Ham who have had an absolutely horrendous season making themselves look good in a competition up against absolute minnows whilst spending £50m on Paqueta for example and finishing 14th.
 
le grand coq said:
Fair point 👍
What I probably should have said is that many don't seem to emply the logical side of their brain very often & are just constantly posting from the emotional side.
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Or you could have said that you don’t agree with them, explain why and then call whoever you’re addressing a cunt!

We like that


LeParisien LeParisien has settled in nicely!
 
BernardMatthews said:
Look at the original football clubs in the premier league. They all had the same opportunity spurs had.
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How am I supposed to take that statement with a straight face?

Oldham Athletic had the same opportunity Spurs had?

League leaders for most of the first Premier League season Norwich City had the same opportunity Spurs had?


BernardMatthews said:
And Villa? Everton and West Ham. You are serious in saying they are currently in a similar financial situation to us?? Please……
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Currently? No. We'll be miles beyond any of them in the revenue tables for season 22/23.

It will be considerably closer in 23/24. And all three clubs have major opportunities to close the gap from there.

The ENIC project has succeeded to the extent than if Spurs secure CL football, none but the super elite can touch us financially.

Unfortunately Levy's chairmanship is such that the chances of us ever sniffing CL football again wane transfer window by transfer window.

Can we nick 5th place while burning down the last year of Kane's contract? Not impossible. Can we nick 5th place without him? Getting closer to impossible.
 
Raumdeuterz said:
Both sides are very insulting but the ENIC in side have a habit of whining about how insulting the out side are & how they’re much more reasonable.

Then two of you lot have been carded for disability related insults and a bunch of others just call people cunts or go on about how thick everyone who hates Levy is. Or talk down to them.
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I'm ENIC out, I just can't stand the idiots who represent the fake movement such as yourself
 
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