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Management Next Manager Poll (poll reset 11/04/23)

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Next Manager

  • Rodgers

    Votes: 15 3.6%

  • Potter

    Votes: 25 5.9%

  • Nagelsmann

    Votes: 177 41.9%

  • Kompany

    Votes: 43 10.2%

  • Slot

    Votes: 91 21.6%

  • Postecoglou

    Votes: 74 17.5%

  • De Zerbi

    Votes: 31 7.3%

  • Xabi Alonso

    Votes: 11 2.6%

  • Stellini

    Votes: 4 0.9%

  • Frank

    Votes: 10 2.4%

  • Luis Enrique

    Votes: 21 5.0%

  • Zidane

    Votes: 5 1.2%

  • Glasner

    Votes: 3 0.7%

  • Amorim

    Votes: 10 2.4%

  • Carrick

    Votes: 9 2.1%

  • Gallardo

    Votes: 23 5.5%

  • Schmidt

    Votes: 2 0.5%
  • Total voters
    422
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Starks said:
Define 'proven' ?

I don't like Rodgers as a person nor do I don't think his teams are particularly exciting to watch but to think he isn't a proven coach is a bit of a wild take.
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Parts of 10 seasons managed, 2 top 4 finishes and 1 team relegated.

He may have "proven" his chops for some clubs PL ambitions, say, Palace? But Spurs' primary goal each manager for a decade has been charged with is top 4. Rodgers hasn't proven an ability to do that.
 
MemphisWill said:
Parts of 10 seasons managed, 2 top 4 finishes and 1 team relegated.

He may have "proven" his chops for some clubs PL ambitions, say, Palace? But Spurs' primary goal each manager for a decade has been charged with is top 4. Rodgers hasn't proven an ability to do that.
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I think that depends on whether we truly care about a manager's history at other clubs of different expectations or we care about what they can add or bring to our team.

Redknapp had never managed a top four finish before he joined Spurs. He never finished lower than 5th in the three full seasons he had here and finished in the top four twice. Pochettino had only managed an 8th placed finish in his only full Premier League season before coming here. He managed to get us to 2nd place (and four top four finishes) - I don't think we got them in based on what they had achieved league wise but more so their coaching methods or in Redknapps case, his elite level man management skills for a team that desperately needed it.

I don't want Rodgers. I don't like him as a person and I don't think his teams play particularly good football. But he's more than proven at Premier League level.
 
Starks said:
I think that depends on whether we truly care about a manager's history at other clubs of different expectations or we care about what they can add or bring to our team.

Redknapp had never managed a top four finish before he joined Spurs. He never finished lower than 5th in the three full seasons he had here and finished in the top four twice. Pochettino had only managed an 8th placed finish in his only full Premier League season before coming here. He managed to get us to 2nd place (and four top four finishes)

I don't want Rodgers. I don't like him as a person and I don't think his teams play particularly good football. But he's more than proven at Premier League level.
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Are you really claiming that Liverpool's and Leicester's ambitions weren't top 4?
 
LeParisien said:
It’s 2008… Guardiola manages to finish top of the regional Catalan 3rd division with Barcelona B.

ElSpaggyBoy says « oh great…he’s going to be Barcelona manager and he’s managed to beat Balaguer and Igualada playing some fancy football with the support of one of the richest club’s academies… not gonna raise my sangria to this cunt ».

Do I think he’s going to be Guardiola? Of course not. But whether he’s any good or not can’t be determined off what league he’s just won…he’s either good or he’s not and I suspect neither of us has a clue.
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The difference is that Pep was already a Barca legend as a player and his name had a huge amount of cache. Postecoglu has none of those things. If you want to persuade Harry Kane to stay and sign a new contract tying him to the club for the rest of his career, then hiring an unknown guy who is very nearly of pensionable age and has achieved about as much as Neil fucking Lennon is not exactly the way to do it.
 
MemphisWill said:
Are you really claiming that Liverpool's and Leicester's ambitions weren't top 4?
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Did you see Liverpool before he took over!?

They were an absolute shambles under Hodgson and Dalglish. It was a completely different Liverpol to the one we see today and have seen over the last 5+ years. There expectations may have been top four, but only on the same level that ours were in the mid to late 2000s when we couldn't get it done pre-Redknapp with a team full of shite like Jenas, Chimbonda, Bent, Zokora etc.

I don't think anyone bar perhaps the most optimistic Leicester City fan would ever expect top four. They fluked their way to a title and then reverted back to the norm following it. Hovering around mid table in the league. He absolutely should have got top four with them. In both years he finished 5th, he was top four for the majority of the seasons until the very last two game weeks before fucking it up. That should actually be enough for us to not go for him

Once again though, what coaches do at other clubs in terms of league position should never be a factor when judging a coach's ability.. Too many people these days are fixated on win percentages and honors.

Brighton could have finished 10th in the Premier League this season for example (and below us) but it wouldn't have done anything less to everyones opinion on how good of a coach De Zerbi is.
 
SpaggyBoy said:
The difference is that Pep was already a Barca legend as a player and his name had a huge amount of cache. Postecoglu has none of those things. If you want to persuade Harry Kane to stay and sign a new contract tying him to the club for the rest of his career, then hiring an unknown guy who is very nearly of pensionable age and has achieved about as much as Neil fucking Lennon is not exactly the way to do it.
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Thinking Harry Kane is going to spend longer at Spurs because of who is in charge at the club is the the most ridiculous thought and it amazes me people still actually think like this.

What are Harry Kane's goals? Do you know them? Is it to play under well known managers?
 
Starks said:
Did you see Liverpool before he took over!?

They were an absolute shambles under Hodgson and Dalglish. It was a completely different Liverpol to the one we see today and have seen over the last 5+ years. There expectations may have been top four, but only on the same level that ours were in the mid to late 2000s when we couldn't get it done pre-Redknapp with a team full of shite like Jenas, Chimbonda, Bent, Zokora etc.

I don't think anyone bar perhaps the most optimistic Leicester City fan would ever expect top four. They fluked their way to a title and then reverted back to the norm following it. Hovering around mid table in the league. He absolutely should have got top four with them. In both years he finished 5th, he was top four for the majority of the seasons until the very last two game weeks before fucking it up. That should actually be enough for us to not go for him

Once again though, what coaches do at other clubs in terms of league position should never be a factor when judging a coach's ability.. Too many people these days are fixated on win percentages and honors.

Brighton could have finished 10th in the Premier League this season for example (and below us) but it wouldn't have done anything less to everyones opinion on how good of a coach De Zerbi is.
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Rodgers, again, has gotten relegated half as often as he's finished in the top 4 - and he hasn't finished in the top 4 in nearly a decade.

Hard pass.
 
Starks said:
He was 1 point off safety with 30 points to play for when he sacked. How can that be accredited to him?

That's like crediting Nuno with a top four finish because the points we managed at the beginning of the 21-22 season.
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He got 5 points from 10 matches to open the season. He came back from the WC break and got 7 points from 13 matches. That's 12 points from 3/5ths of the season.

Brendan Rodgers got them relegated.
 
MemphisWill said:
He got 5 points from 10 matches to open the season. He came back from the WC break and got 7 points from 13 matches.

Brendan Rodgers got them relegated.
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Being 1 point off safety with 10 games to go and 30 points to play for isn't him relegating them at all.

They were level on points with Bournemouth at the stage he was sacked. Same amount of wins, more goals scored, less goals conceded. There's zero proof Rodgers couldn't have managed to get them two extra points they needed to save them apart from opinion based on previous form, yet Bournemouth, with a lot less resources managed it.

Anyway, your vote was Michael Carrick. What has he proven in your eyes?
 
MemphisWill said:
He opened the season with 7 defeats in 10 matches, and managed the team into April. Pretending like their relegation wasn't highly attributable to him is ridiculous.
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The league didn’t end in April — otherwise we would be crowning Woolwich.
Leicester were in trouble but hardly relegated when Rodgers left by mutual consent.
Leicester’s problems were by no means solely attributable to their coaching. Rodgers has had more success than 80% or more of current EPL coaches — and, No, I don’t want him at this juncture— but most of us would have gagged to get him a couple of years ago.
 
Starks said:
Being 1 point off safety with 10 games to go and 30 points to play for isn't him relegating them at all.

They were level on points with Bournemouth at the stage he was sacked. Same amount of wins, more goals scored, less goals conceded. There's zero proof Rodgers couldn't have managed to get them two extra points they needed to save them apart from opinion based on previous form, yet Bournemouth, with a lot less resources managed it.

Anyway, your vote was Michael Carrick. What has he proven in your eyes?
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Another profoundly measured and sensible post. You really don’t belong here.
 
Rodgers is a very proven PL coach - two top 6 finishes with Leicester (whisker away from 4th), challenged for the title with a shit Liverpool team aside from Suarez & good Swans team. And throw an FA cup in as well.

I guarantee you that if you give De Zerbi another 5-6 years at this level, he will have his down periods and probably at least one sacking. That’s the game unless you’re Guardiola.
 
GeorgeGraham said:
The league didn’t end in April — otherwise we would be crowning Woolwich.
Leicester were in trouble but hardly relegated when Rodgers left by mutual consent.
Leicester’s problems were by no means solely attributable to their coaching. Rodgers has had more success than 80% or more of current EPL coaches — and, No, I don’t want him at this juncture— but most of us would have gagged to get him a couple of years ago.
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12 points from 23 matches. Dean Smith got 9 points from 8 matches....but, hey, let's blame the guy that ended up holding the bag when Rodgers did a runner!

Crazy that you people are claiming a guy with 2 top 4 finishes a decade ago is a legitimate candidate for Spurs. Rodgers is the definition of mediocrity.
 
MemphisWill said:
12 points from 23 matches. Dean Smith got 9 points from 8 matches....but, hey, let's blame the guy that ended up holding the bag when Rodgers did a runner!

Crazy that you people are claiming a guy with 2 top 4 finishes a decade ago is a legitimate candidate for Spurs. Rodgers is the definition of mediocrity.
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A straw man argument because neither myself or Starks Starks are arguing to hire Rodgers.
That doesn’t change the fact that only Pep, Klopp and Arteta have had as much EPL success of the current crop.
Poch had one season and an 8th place finish when we hired him after leaving a dead last place Espanyol.
Harry had a couple of relegations before we hired him and had no success in the EPL. He was relegated again after he left us and left Birmingham City one from bottom.
BMJ. came to us from Waalwijk. Yeah, you’ll probably have to look them up.
 
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