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Management Ange Postecoglou

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nicoclaesen said:
Agree with this. What I will say is Celtic are a much better side to watch now. Really aggressive in everything they do from pressing,defending,passing and attacking. Whether he can emulate that at Tottenham is a lot more difficult to do as probably only half the squad are capable of playing that way. Harry can’t play that way so it will be interesting to see how that pans out if Ange does come and Harry stays.
You mentioned managers leaving Celtic not going on to have glorious careers. 99% of managers don’t have glorious careers. I always thought O’Neill would’ve done better than he did.
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Celtic average age is 26 and ours is 27
The issue I see is more that I'd bet my arse and both nuts that the average fitness levels in the PL are way higher than than 3/4 of the SPL. It would be much easier for a club like Celtic to employ a team of coaches to get them fitter, faster and stronger than their opponents.
Not at all easy in the EPL
 
Kaneson said:
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Matt1882 said:
Celtic average age is 26 and ours is 27
The issue I see is more that I'd bet my arse and both nuts that the average fitness levels in the PL are way higher than than 3/4 of the SPL. It would be much easier for a club like Celtic to employ a team of coaches to get them fitter, faster and stronger than their opponents.
Not at all easy in the EPL
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The difference in the fitness side of things from England to Scotland is money. The amount of staff on hand at clubs in the EPL is incredible. Every players has every single need sorted for them. It’s easy to get fit but the care these guys get in England is amazing. Everything from diet,supplements,facilities,physios, mental health
In Scotland most clubs even at Premier league level outwith rangers and Celtic have 1 or 2 physios max,don’t get breakfast at the clubs and some don’t get fed after training every day. Gym facilities are poor and once they leave the building they are on their own.
Everything in England is geared for them to be in prime condition every game.
 
Kaneson said:
Even I have to say this is getting weird now.

All these guys randomly rocking up here to say the same message. Turmoil at the club but he fixed it. Want him to stay but glad he's moving upwards.

What proud Celtic fan wouldn't see themselves as our equal? The message is the same. Ange is coming to heal.

All very odd and what Levy would want the message to be. They all write the same too. Very...English.

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Levy is branching out, he now has now invested (our money not his) into Levy bot AI - Scottish Edition ! :levywhoa:
 
nicoclaesen said:
Agree with this. What I will say is Celtic are a much better side to watch now. Really aggressive in everything they do from pressing,defending,passing and attacking. Whether he can emulate that at Tottenham is a lot more difficult to do as probably only half the squad are capable of playing that way. Harry can’t play that way so it will be interesting to see how that pans out if Ange does come and Harry stays.
You mentioned managers leaving Celtic not going on to have glorious careers. 99% of managers don’t have glorious careers. I always thought O’Neill would’ve done better than he did.
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I keep hearing about this nonsense, why can't Harry Kane play that way? What does he have an anti press clause in his contract or something?
 
Kaneson said:
Even I have to say this is getting weird now.

All these guys randomly rocking up here to say the same message. Turmoil at the club but he fixed it. Want him to stay but glad he's moving upwards.

What proud Celtic fan wouldn't see themselves as our equal? The message is the same. Ange is coming to heal.

All very odd and what Levy would want the message to be. They all write the same too. Very...English.

Admin Admin whats the deal on all these new posters ip's?
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jon lovitz reaping all the benefits GIF
 
nicoclaesen said:
The difference in the fitness side of things from England to Scotland is money. The amount of staff on hand at clubs in the EPL is incredible. Every players has every single need sorted for them. It’s easy to get fit but the care these guys get in England is amazing. Everything from diet,supplements,facilities,physios, mental health
In Scotland most clubs even at Premier league level outwith rangers and Celtic have 1 or 2 physios max,don’t get breakfast at the clubs and some don’t get fed after training every day. Gym facilities are poor and once they leave the building they are on their own.
Everything in England is geared for them to be in prime condition every game.
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And that's why Celtic can comfortably outplay most teams most weeks. You can't get that advantage in the EPL
 
KaneIsAble said:
Didn't watch the whole thing, but his comments about full backs and wingers is big worry for Porro and Perisic.

Says he doesn't like his wingers to drop back and his FBs to go forward cos of anxiety about leaving the FB high and having to run back again to defend. Porro scored a couple of goals but he's far from an adequate winger, nor is he a good defender.
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Perisic plays as a attacking midfield winger for Croatia. Maybe Porro can become a decent winger too?

Can Uedogie play in a back 4? I think Spence can - although I’m not sure playing as a defensively minded fullback is the best use of his skills.

Good news for Emerson and Davies I suppose.
 
KaneIsAble said:
Call me a little Englander if you want but I'm really in the mood for a manager with native grasp of the language.

Poch and Conte (and even Mou to an extent) had a really bad grasp of the language and talked so much bollocks.
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Yeah,I know what you mean. You have to wonder how much is lost in translation.

I loved Poch, but couldn't listen to his confused drivel. The other two were just hard to listen to because they were tossers. I reserve some little credit for Jose, who was at least witty and appeared cunning.
 
Zomb said:
agree. That’s why I was an advocate of relegation to really clear the decks. We have more than enough financial resilience to bounce straight back and it would surely see Lewis’s daughter oust Levy and employ a fit and proper CEO and also sack the long self serving echo chamber of Cullen et al.

I also think a season rucking with Millwall, Cardiff etc should see off the day trippers and Koreans so match day would be much more authentic and hopefully these tossers would drift down the Thames to Fulham’s new selfie spot

Would almost certainly achieve four things:
- Championship (trophy)
- Shit players gone
- Cunt faux fans gone
- Most importantly, change of leadership with Levy, Cullen etc GONE
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Gets my vote
 
Doc said:


Embarassing
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One of the things I always loved about being a Spurs supporter is our fanbse. The difference between Woolwich and us has always been so vast. That isn't the case now, I genuinely see no difference and I hate it and I'm embarrassed by it.

I know absolutely nothing about Ange other than what I am reading and viewing, I've never seen a single game of any of his sides play, which means I can't comment on whether he's good or bad. From what I'm reading and what I've heard (youtube etc) he would appear to be bloody brilliant with the media. There is a huge amount written about how his team play and it all sounds great. The only doubt is whether it's transferable to a PL team, but a coach is a coach and if he's been able to coach other players then surely he can coach our player, so surely there's a chance that it is transferable. And wouldn't it also be fair to say that his job is made easier because he will be coaching better players than he has ever coached in his life?


In any event, the more I see this kind of shit from our fanbase, the more I want him. I wanna go back and ram their nonsense back down their throats.
 
It’s interesting there’s a thread on red cafe about Postacoglu (to Spurs) and they all seem to think he’d be a fantastic appointment for us

maybe it’s easier to think that when it’s not your club. For example, if it was Ange to Fulham, Everton Etc I think a lot more of us would say ‘that’s a good appointment for them’ etc

Appreciate ambitions differ I get that. Just interesting to see alternative fans perspective
 
Doc said:
Not anti-Postecoglou for the record, but think it's a big gamble. Slot has achieved more difficult things. Winning Feynoord's 15th Eredvisie over Ajax and PSV trumps Celtic winning their 53rd league title. Covid season the league was abandoned after 25 games, and he had a AZ Alkmaar (what 4th or 5th biggest dutch side? ) tied on 56 points with Ten Hag's Ajax. Made it to a Europa Conference final, playing fairly well but losing to Jose's Roma. Makes a Europa League semi-final, losing in extra time to Jose's Roma.

Actually think Postecoglou might have a more sophisticated attacking style.. but i think there's more you can point to with Slot
, the Erdevisie is a much better league than spl, and both would be risky
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Agreed that Slot on paper has a better resume. There's something about Ange's personality though that I think will make him a success. He has a certain charm coupled with a ruthlessness and motivational tactics that I think will play well both with the players and the fans. Resume and tactics aside, I think it's this X factor that will make the difference. JN is a great tactician, but appears to be quite aloof. Slot looks like he's more of a professorial type. Both can work initially, but I don't know if they will have staying power. Conte and Jose didn't really have their heart in it, so I'm not even going to get into those two. With Ange you will be getting that X factor from someone that is going to be all in. And it feels like it is something that will be more sustainable, provided of course there is a clear sign of an improved trajectory on the pitch too.

That's just my sense based on everything I have read about Ange and the others. If we appoint him, I do hope it ends up being the case.
 
Richard Arlison said:
Munn who has no clue about football, appointing his chosen manager before even appointing or considering who might be choosing the players for him?

Doesn't sound double rosey to me.

Call me a cynic but so far it looks like this:

Levy hires a fellow baldy to do the paperwork he can't be fucked with

Levy allows his mate at Base agency to tell him which manager to hire and which players to sign.

Baldy #2 does the paperwork on those signings.
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You're taking 2+2 and making it 6.

As I said to another poster, this is the kind of reasoning that leads journos to post the garbage they do and that we all deride. I believe you're a more thoughtful person than that.
 
Dudski said:
The idea that a 57 year old manager in the Scottish Premiership with a big personality and a pipeline of Japanese players will suddenly emerge to be the next big thing would make a fun movie but how likely is it in real life? The elements that made Postecoglou successful in the Scottish Premiership may not translate to the Premier League. We don't know how much of what worked there wasn't successful just because of the wide range in quality and the drop off after you get away from the top teams. Postecoglou built a reputation in part by running his guys hard in practice. Conte did the same thing and Spurs had the most injury riddled roster in the Premier League. Postecoglou has a "larger-than-life" personality. Jose Mourinou had one of those, so did Conte. Postecoglou brought in Japanese players. No doubt there are good players there, but Premier League teams will have scouted those players as well. We can be hopeful, we can back him if he's the pick, but it's a big bet on a long shot.
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I don't disagree with any of this, although Jose's personality is quite different: larger-than-life in a more negative rather than positive way. And he was never all-in on Spurs.

It's a risk either way. There are downsides to any manager. I just think that Ange's downside is one that can be overcome. He may not command the instant respect, but he will not lose the dressing room in the long term. And his age may actually help with this. I feel that this is not the case with the other managers that are available.
 
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