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Management Ange Postecoglou

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We can only hope that, IF he's appointed, bringing in Postecoglou and Munn are the first steps towards rectifying that chaos.

Munn who has no clue about football, appointing his chosen manager before even appointing or considering who might be choosing the players for him?

Doesn't sound double rosey to me.

Call me a cynic but so far it looks like this:

Levy hires a fellow baldy to do the paperwork he can't be fucked with

Levy allows his mate at Base agency to tell him which manager to hire and which players to sign.

Baldy #2 does the paperwork on those signings.
 
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Porro - Sweeper keeper
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If you liked Slot, then why not Ange? He's basically Slot, but with a larger-than-life persona. Something that I think is equally, if not more important.
The idea that a 57 year old manager in the Scottish Premiership with a big personality and a pipeline of Japanese players will suddenly emerge to be the next big thing would make a fun movie but how likely is it in real life? The elements that made Postecoglou successful in the Scottish Premiership may not translate to the Premier League. We don't know how much of what worked there wasn't successful just because of the wide range in quality and the drop off after you get away from the top teams. Postecoglou built a reputation in part by running his guys hard in practice. Conte did the same thing and Spurs had the most injury riddled roster in the Premier League. Postecoglou has a "larger-than-life" personality. Jose Mourinou had one of those, so did Conte. Postecoglou brought in Japanese players. No doubt there are good players there, but Premier League teams will have scouted those players as well. We can be hopeful, we can back him if he's the pick, but it's a big bet on a long shot.
 
Munn who has no clue about football, appointing his chosen manager before even appointing or considering who might be choosing the players for him?

Doesn't sound double rosey to me.

Call me a cynic but so far it looks like this:

Levy hires a fellow baldy to do the paperwork he can't be fucked with

Levy allows his mate at Base agency to tell him which manager to hire and which players to sign.

Baldy #2 does the paperwork on those signings.
No one is appointed yet Richard, and we have no idea of Munn's knowledge of Football or his abilities to fulfill his remit, or what he's been responsible for regarding the managerial appointment. For all we know, he's been involved in producing a shortlist of managers & DOF's that meet the criteria for the way the board have decided we want to progress with.

I'm assuming that you've posted this tongue in cheek, otherwise all you're really doing is taking supposition as fact.
 
Not anti-Postecoglou for the record, but think it's a big gamble. Slot has achieved more difficult things. Winning Feynoord's 15th Eredvisie over Ajax and PSV trumps Celtic winning their 53rd league title. Covid season the league was abandoned after 25 games, and he had a AZ Alkmaar (what 4th or 5th biggest dutch side? ) tied on 56 points with Ten Hag's Ajax. Made it to a Europa Conference final, playing fairly well but losing to Jose's Roma. Makes a Europa League semi-final, losing in extra time to Jose's Roma.

Actually think Postecoglou might have a more sophisticated attacking style.. but i think there's more you can point to with Slot
, the Erdevisie is a much better league than spl, and both would be risky
We need to look beyond binary prior achievements and really consider fit with our structure, style of play, positive outlook etc etc as well. Eredevisie with Feyernord is the bigger achievement, but that doesn’t mean Slot is a better choice than Ange
 
The idea that a 57 year old manager in the Scottish Premiership with a big personality and a pipeline of Japanese players will suddenly emerge to be the next big thing would make a fun movie but how likely is it in real life? The elements that made Postecoglou successful in the Scottish Premiership may not translate to the Premier League. We don't know how much of what worked there wasn't successful just because of the wide range in quality and the drop off after you get away from the top teams. Postecoglou built a reputation in part by running his guys hard in practice. Conte did the same thing and Spurs had the most injury riddled roster in the Premier League. Postecoglou has a "larger-than-life" personality. Jose Mourinou had one of those, so did Conte. Postecoglou brought in Japanese players. No doubt there are good players there, but Premier League teams will have scouted those players as well. We can be hopeful, we can back him if he's the pick, but it's a big bet on a long shot.

Doesn't have to be the next big thing.

The thing people haven't even considered is what he brings to the club long term, beyond his years here. Continuously appointing the likes of Mourinho, Conte etc. does nothing for a club that doesn't act like the clubs they've succeeded at. You just get stop start "projects" of mundane football with a squad full of players absolutely coached out of any sort of risk in their game with a defence minded approach that's never been the Tottenham way of playing.

But hiring someone with his profile is a good start. Someone who's identity is more in line with what the football club needs and building a squad in that particular mould. A team that will look to dominate the ball, press high with a squad full of players who are enthusiastic and want to play with bravery on the ball.

He may fail but if he does, he'll be leaving behind a team and a vision that's more in line with what we want as a football club and will leave the club a lot more ready in that regard to hire their next manager. Instead of now for example where we're not really seen as such. We look more a poisoned chalice.

But every club he's left has been at a better state than where he left them. He could be the beginning of a hard restart for the club. Something we desperately needed post-Mourinho and something quite obviously we're still needing.
 



Can anyone post the article?

Ange Postecoglou is in pole position for the Spurs job, and it shouldn’t be a surprise​

MADRID, SPAIN - NOVEMBER 02: Celtic FC Head Coach of Angelos Postecoglou arrives on the field during the UEFA Champions League group F match between Real Madrid and Celtic FC at Estadio Santiago Bernabeu on November 2, 2022 in Madrid, Spain. (Photo by Alvaro Medranda/Eurasia Sport Images/Getty Images)

By Jack Pitt-Brooke
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It only takes a brief look at Tottenham’s recent managerial appointments to get a sense of what an abrupt change of policy it would be if they complete the appointment of Ange Postecoglou as their new head coach next week.
Tottenham’s last permanent managerial hire was Antonio Conte in November 2021. He arrived with an almost perfect CV: five league titles across three different clubs, each time inheriting a team who had lost their way and turning them into an unstoppable winning machine. He made his name in Serie A but had also triumphed in England. He was the last manager not called Pep Guardiola or Jurgen Klopp to win the Premier League (doing so with Chelsea in 2016-17), something he was not shy about telling the world.
Rewind back another two years and Tottenham appointed Jose Mourinho in November 2019. He too arrived with an almost perfect CV: eight league titles across four different clubs, to say nothing of one UEFA Cup, one Europa League, a stack of domestic cups and, best of all, two Champions Leagues, won with Porto and Inter, neither of them fancied at the start of the season. He had won the domestic title in four different countries but nowhere more than in England, where his three titles with Chelsea across two different spells made him their most successful manager, something he was not shy about telling the world.
(Yes, in between Mourinho and Conte Tottenham did also hire Nuno Espirito Santo, in June 2021, but only after trying and failing to appoint a long list of other more successful candidates, including Conte himself. Nuno lasted 10 league games in charge.)
But the pattern was clear. Tottenham have been shopping at the very top of the market for the most decorated, famous and best-paid managers out there. And it has been a huge waste of time, money and energy.
If Tottenham appoint Postecoglou next week — he is currently in pole position for the job — it would mark a notable change in direction. Postecoglou has a very good CV. He has won the Australian title with two different clubs, the J-League and two Scottish Premierships with Celtic. He could hardly have achieved more with the clubs who have employed him. But he has never worked in England, or in any of the ‘top five’ leagues of Europe. Mourinho and Conte each arrived at Tottenham after more than a decade at the top of the European game. Postecoglou, at the age of 57, is still working his way up.
But then Tottenham changing direction like this is precisely what the fans have been calling out for. The experience of employing big-name managers has not been a happy one. Both Mourinho and Conte gave the impression that they were taking a step down to manage Spurs, and that lowly Tottenham Hotspur should be grateful to be graced by their presence. It has led to tensions with club staff, players and fans. We can say now with certainty that it is not a recipe for a harmonious football club. No one wants a repeat of the last four years.
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That is why Tottenham have been clear in their desire to go in a different direction this summer. The buzzwords have been ‘culture’ and ‘ethos’. There is a feeling at the club — perhaps overdue — that they had something special back in the Mauricio Pochettino days, when everyone pulled in the same direction, towards the same shared goals. That is what they want to get back to, a sense of ‘alignment’ throughout the football club. And they know that this has to flow from the manager himself. He has to be someone who can command buy-in from the players and, crucially, from the fans too. He has to be able to be the articulate, authoritative, persuasive voice of the whole institution.
And on this point, Postecoglou stands out as the best of all of the candidates by far. His Celtic team have played fantastic football, not just winning but winning with a sense of style and adventure. But what sets him apart — even more than that — is the way that he has taken on the role as the public face of the club. Celtic is a very high-pressure job, with a huge fanbase, and demands that can not be met by winning alone. When he took over in 2021 there were questions from fans whether he was a big enough figure to take on the job. But no one would say that now.
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Postecoglou won back-to-back titles in his first two seasons at Celtic (Photo: Getty Images)
At Celtic, Postecoglou has shown a remarkable way with words. Everyone remembers his famous line in February 2022 after Celtic had beaten Rangers 3-0. “I said to the players that we had 60,000 in tonight and I’m sure a lot of them walked in with some problems in their life. For this 95 minutes we made them forget that and feel good and that’s something special.”
A few days later, Postecoglou was asked to expand on his words in his next pre-match press conference at Lennoxtown. “’I’m not just manager of a football club,” he explained. “I’m manager of everything that the football club embodies. It was important for me that the people who are truly invested in this club, and that’s the supporters, believed in me as a person more than anything else. When people believe in you as a person, you’re more likely to get an understanding of what you’re trying to achieve.”
That answer sums up so much of Postecoglou’s appeal. The point is not just that he is good with words, articulate and clever, which in part is why he has impressed so much in interviews. It is that he understands the political power of words. He knows that no manager will get anywhere without buy-in from the players and the fans. And he knows that to get that you have to convince them that you are on their side and want to take the team in the right direction.
Tottenham have not had a manager with any interest in this side of the job since Pochettino. None out of Mourinho, Conte or Nuno made much of an effort to engage with the fans or to speak their language. If Postecoglou arrives at Spurs and hits the same notes as he did in his first season at Celtic, that precious sense of alignment could start to creep back.
None of this would work if the football does not click, but Postecoglou’s record on that front stands up too. He has won everywhere he has been, and his Celtic side are one game away from winning the Scottish domestic treble this season. They have done so playing an entertaining 4-3-3 system, always focused on expansive, attacking football, dominating the opposition and creating chances. (The fact that Brighton were interested in Postecoglou in September, when they were looking for a replacement for Graham Potter, points to how highly his own brand of possession football is rated inside the game.)

It is two years now since Daniel Levy promised that the next Tottenham head coach (after the sacking of Mourinho) would be in line with the club’s ‘DNA’. He talked about “free-flowing, attacking and entertaining” football, as well as promoting young players. Obviously that promise was not followed through at the time, as Spurs appointed Nuno and then Conte five months later. But if Postecoglou gets the job next week then Spurs will finally have a manager who is at least committed to playing the game in the way that the fans want to see. After almost four years of negative football since Spurs opened their new stadium, it could prove to be a breath of fresh air.
Of course, there is no guarantee at this point that Postecoglou will get the job, or even that he will succeed if he does. We all know what a hard job Tottenham is right now, with the new manager having to lift the confidence of the players, re-energise the fans, transition away from the old generation while bringing youngsters through, and trying to get Spurs back into Europe. Given the state Tottenham find themselves in right now, any appointment would be a risk — and we know from the examples of Mourinho and Conte that even serial winners are no guarantee of anything.
But if we look back at Tottenham during Levy’s tenure, we can see that sometimes the unlikeliest managers are the most successful. The managers who arrived with the highest profile, and who Levy pursued for the most time, have often been failures. Not just Mourinho and Conte but Juande Ramos, Andre Villas-Boas, arguably even Jacques Santini. None of them lived up to their big reputations at Spurs.
Far more successful were Martin Jol, promoted from being Sanitini’s assistant. Harry Redknapp, recruited in a panic after Ramos’ disastrous start to the 2008-09 season. And even Pochettino, the greatest manager of the Levy era, appointed in 2014 after Louis van Gaal went to Manchester United instead. Those three each appeared to understand Tottenham Hotspur, the fans and the dynamics, better than their more-heralded predecessors. Optimistic Spurs fans will wonder whether Postecoglou, if he gets the job next week, might try to follow in their footsteps.
(Photo: Alvaro Medranda/Eurasia Sport Images/Getty Images)
 
No one is appointed yet Richard, and we have no idea of Munn's knowledge of Football or his abilities to fulfill his remit, or what he's been responsible for regarding the managerial appointment. For all we know, he's been involved in producing a shortlist of managers & DOF's that meet the criteria for the way the board have decided we want to progress with.

I'm assuming that you've posted this tongue in cheek, otherwise all you're really doing is taking supposition as fact.

We know that Munn doesn't have a background in making football decisions, he's an administrator. Hopefully a good one.

But if we do just bring in a coach and don't put a plan or structure in place, Personally that doesn't sound that great to me.

The club actually aren't saying or outwardly doing anything. It's all media talk so far, selling us a hero in Postecoglou.

Hopefully, the club is doing the planning and coming up with a structure that looks like it can compete.
 
Not anti-Postecoglou for the record, but think it's a big gamble. Slot has achieved more difficult things. Winning Feynoord's 15th Eredvisie over Ajax and PSV trumps Celtic winning their 53rd league title. Covid season the league was abandoned after 25 games, and he had a AZ Alkmaar (what 4th or 5th biggest dutch side? ) tied on 56 points with Ten Hag's Ajax. Made it to a Europa Conference final, playing fairly well but losing to Jose's Roma. Makes a Europa League semi-final, losing in extra time to Jose's Roma.

Actually think Postecoglou might have a more sophisticated attacking style.. but i think there's more you can point to with Slot
, the Erdevisie is a much better league than spl, and both would be risky

Winning the Eredivisie with Feynoord doesn't really guarantee anything either, though.

van Bronckhorst won it with them - almost 20 years since they last won it, went to Rangers via China and got sacked after a year as he wasn't competing with Postecoglou's Celtic.
 
Winning the Eredivisie with Feynoord doesn't really guarantee anything either, though.

van Bronckhorst won it with them - almost 20 years since they last won it, went to Rangers via China and got sacked after a year as he wasn't competing with Postecoglou's Celtic.
The irony being Rangers aren't really anywhere near Celtic so it's a bit harsh. They're better than the rest but punching above their weight if they're actually competing with Celtic.

I think the timing was right for Gerrard when they won the title. Something had gone wrong with Celtic under Lennon and they fell away opening the door, which made Gerard and Ranges look better than they really are.

Style of play aside, Postecoglu has achieved nothing that Rodgers, Lennon, Delia, Strachan and O'Neil haven't done, some more so this century.
None of them have gone on to have glorious careers away from Celtic
 
Much as
Munn who has no clue about football, appointing his chosen manager before even appointing or considering who might be choosing the players for him?

Doesn't sound double rosey to me.

Call me a cynic but so far it looks like this:

Levy hires a fellow baldy to do the paperwork he can't be fucked with

Levy allows his mate at Base agency to tell him which manager to hire and which players to sign.

Baldy #2 does the paperwork on those signings.
Much the same way Spurs ended up with Nuno. Strike out with the best candidates and then get an agent driven selection.
 
That was the first time I ever heard him a few months ago. He came across very well.

It's worth watching the whole thing.


Didn't watch the whole thing, but his comments about full backs and wingers is big worry for Porro and Perisic.

Says he doesn't like his wingers to drop back and his FBs to go forward cos of anxiety about leaving the FB high and having to run back again to defend. Porro scored a couple of goals but he's far from an adequate winger, nor is he a good defender.
 
The irony being Rangers aren't really anywhere near Celtic so it's a bit harsh. They're better than the rest but punching above their weight if they're actually competing with Celtic.

I think the timing was right for Gerrard when they won the title. Something had gone wrong with Celtic under Lennon and they fell away opening the door, which made Gerard and Ranges look better than they really are.

Style of play aside, Postecoglu has achieved nothing that Rodgers, Lennon, Delia, Strachan and O'Neil haven't done, some more so this century.
None of them have gone on to have glorious careers away from Celtic
Agree with this. What I will say is Celtic are a much better side to watch now. Really aggressive in everything they do from pressing,defending,passing and attacking. Whether he can emulate that at Tottenham is a lot more difficult to do as probably only half the squad are capable of playing that way. Harry can’t play that way so it will be interesting to see how that pans out if Ange does come and Harry stays.
You mentioned managers leaving Celtic not going on to have glorious careers. 99% of managers don’t have glorious careers. I always thought O’Neill would’ve done better than he did.
 
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