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Almost certainly Nkunku's salary will be way higher than what we would offer.

They have a recent history of winning, ENIC doesn't.

We haven't seen him in the prem yet...Werner was hot shit, scoring 28 goals the season before he arrived..

Allegedly:

Christopher Nkunku currently earns €192,308 gross per week.

 
Further perception debunking facts (also as per TFM).....

Since NWHL opened:

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For all that so-called extra “ambition” people have been frothing about recently; they’ve spent just 15m euro more than us.
Hey that's not fair, how are people supposed to jerk off about our biggest rivals 'having ambition' and shaming our spending when you come along and post cold hard facts? That's cheating surely. :/
 
This theory doesn't really work for me.....

WH likely to get 100m for Rice.... Does that mean that should pay 70m-80m odd for JWP?

One deal shouldn't reflect upon the other.
It’s not that simple.

It’s about replacement value aka what does a player on the market with the ability to replace the production cost. Not what you actually buy them for…

My example of Flekken’s fee is probably a shit one. His market value before they signed him would be better.

No doubt every serious club will have some kind of metric they use to calculate replacement value on all players in their squad and others
 
Raya beat Allison on almost every single status that keepers are measured on?
The few most important, and the best to judge a goalkeepers ability to protect his goal, Allison wins comfortably. Post shot expected goals - goals against/ shot on target/save%. Not starting an argument, Raya is a very good gk, but Allison is insanely good at stopping big chances from turning into goals
 
Meanwhile our 60m man Richarlison is on 90k per week….

This is another great example of why transfer fees are a misleading measurement

Ffs now all the Levy Defenders have raced out of their fucking Levy wallpaper plastered dungeons to scream "WE SPEND WE SPEND WE SPEND ,FACTS FACTS FACTS" ad nauseum because they've smelt the tiniest bit of blood on that final straw they're clutching on to desperately.

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Ffs now all the Levy Defenders have raced out of their fucking Levy wallpaper plastered dungeons to scream "WE SPEND WE SPEND WE SPEND ,FACTS FACTS FACTS" ad nauseum because they've smelt the tiniest bit of blood on that final straw they're clutching on to desperately.

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That’s my point.

Can’t compare the spend on Richy for 60m and Nkunky for 55m because by the end of both contracts, Nkunku will have cost over double in wages. Plus Nkunku is on a 6 year contract…
 
Any argument only including transfer fees and ignoring wages is either dishonest or clueless.

Neither.

No-one that's in s frenzy over them bidding for Rice has brought wages into the convo.... Just tenuous crying about ambition.

Then look at the concentration of spending too. 167m and 192m in 21/22 and 22/23 are both higher than our highest ever spend. This squad cycle they have been more ambitious/brave in their spending.

Meh.... Maybe if we'd sold Kane and spent more gross we too could have feigned ambition too.

Also, where did we spend 75 in 23/24? and if we did, where did we spend 178 in 22/23?

Count Poro & Kulu as this season or last season; it's all the same to me. You'll have people piping up complaining about double counting and all sorts and claiming that they were last years signings.... I'f people are 'crediting' Arse for players they've noteven bought yet; we sure as hell should be counting those that we ACTUALLY bought. Slice it how you want; it's all money spent to date.

Whatever... The whole point here that the amount of lattitude afforded to our most hated rivals as a way of denigrating our club is really nauseating.

Edit: Finally, if we are going to be really honest, should we do it since they opened their stadium as well?

In all "honesty"; no.. There'd be no point as our revenues were vastly different back then.
 
Cold hard facts without context do nothing for anyone.
I agree - however there have been many instances in recent months where certain posters have claimed black and white that the scum have significantly outspent us in transfer fees over a certain period where it simply isn't true. If they want to add the appropriate context and explain exactly what they mean then fine, but often they don't. Infact just a couple of months ago a very prominent anti-ENIC poster made that exact claim, I challenged him on it, presented the factual data, and do you know what? He ignored the challenge. This is what I find irritating - I have no problem if people want to beat up ENIC / Levy about legitimate complaints, and indeed there are many of them - so making stuff up is just so unnecessary, and costs their cause so much credibility.

(Not saying that's about you here btw, you're happy to clarify with context - others just post complete lies then refuse to retract them. :( ).
 
Neither.

No-one that's in s frenzy over them bidding for Rice has brought wages into the convo.... Just tenuous crying about ambition.



Meh.... Maybe if we'd sold Kane and spent more gross we too could have feigned ambition too.



Count Poro & Kulu as this season or last season; it's all the same to me. You'll have people piping up complaining about double counting and all sorts and claiming that they were last years signings.... I'f people are 'crediting' Arse for players they've noteven bought yet; we sure as hell should be counting those that we ACTUALLY bought. Slice it how you want; it's all money spent to date.

Whatever... The whole point here that the amount of lattitude afforded to our most hated rivals as a way of denigrating our club is really nauseating.



In all "honesty"; no.. There'd be no point as our revenues were vastly different back then.
I’m not in a frenzy. I am bringing up wages though. So it’s in the debate now.

I want the goons to spend 100m on Rice when his replacement value for them over Partey is minimal.

I also wouldn’t mind if we’d spent 100m and paid the wages on another genuinely world class player, say a CB, and put a better team around Kane, the best Spurs player in my lifetime…

Compare the goons attitude to spending with this squad and what we did with Poch’s squad.
 
It’s not that simple.

It’s about replacement value aka what does a player on the market with the ability to replace the production cost. Not what you actually buy them for…

It's the flipside of the exact same thing.....

Should Brighton only charge 20m for Caceido cos they're likely to only spend 10 on replacing him.

How much did Brighton spend on replacing Cucurella? 60 vs 10?

It's exactly how these clubs grow themselves and why deep scouting is so fruitful........


(My take here isn't some pro-Spurs bias...... If Brentford think they can get 40m from someone then go for it.)
 
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