Transfers Summer Transfer Thread 2023! - Closed (Maybe)

[Cranston]

I don't think he's overrated. Talent wise he is among the best. What he lacks is consistency and to cut out the occasional rashness. There were games this past season where he covered the entire backline by himself at times. Put a good CB next to him and you will see significantly improved performances.

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Someone can be overrated and still a very good player.

The bloke needs bringing down a peg or two. He’s arrogant and playing up to his hard man image. The red against Milan was disgusting.

He’s 25. This season will demonstrate whether he has the ability to handle the responsibility of leading the back line.

 

[MemphisWill]

The ONLY Clubs circumnavigating or blatantly cheating FFP are the Multi-Club models of a) City Football Group (currently under the biggest investigation for law-breaking the sport has ever known). Any Club with PIF financial backing, which has now come to light also now includes Chelsea, as well as Newcastle and x4 Clubs in Saudi Arabia (which will be interesting on how this is dealt with as the Saudi league is outside of UEFA jurisdiction) and the looming influence of Qatar who currently owns PSG but are pushing for Man U too.

Woolwich are owned by one single owner, who doesn't own any other football teams where he can do what Chavs are now doing by selling all their expensive transfer mistakes to a PIF-owned Clubs in Saudi Arabia. They have to sell to be compliant, without the '22 accounts I don't know how much, but on the back of a fag packet calc I'd say it's a substantial amount that needs to be raised.

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Big clubs sidestep FFP for the same reason wealthy people don't pay taxes - their legal teams and accountants are better than those working for the regulatory bodies.

Chelsea's spending, to wit, was enabled by amortizing the costs over successive years. Not difficult to do, and other clubs will be doing the same.

Don't hold your breath on a woolwich fire sale.

 

[Aussies Dream]

Another mention that Maddison prefers a move to London.

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Need to get H to commit his future too and then

 

[Shadydan]

Only 1 keeper in the top half of the Premier League played enough games to compare and that was Jason Steele and his stats are better even though he is a very average keeper.

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Well the chances are that if any other no2 had as many matches as Forster you'd probably see similar results...henxe why they are no2s

 

[TeamSpirit™]

Personally I think we need 2 keepers because Forster is Pony.

Does anyone think Fraser Forster is good enough to be a No 2 in the Premier League. The fact is he conceded almost half his shot on target and on average a goal every 55 minutes this season. Is he good enough to be a backup or was it just that Lloris was so bad this season that we think he is an ok no 2.

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Chances are, if you have a good no2, he’s likely to want to be a no1 somewhere else.


I think the periods where we had a declining Cudicini and then Gazzaniga is about as good as you can expect your no2 to be.

 

[Silvio Dante]

Ah that time of year when all the experts on mid table Italian league goalies come out of the woodwork.


Transfer windows are shite aren't they

 

[tommyboyspurs]

Ah that time of year when all the experts on mid table Italian league goalies come out of the woodwork.


Transfer windows are shite aren't they

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i remember this forum excited by gollini

hardly played, its so crucial we get the gk position right

 

[Silvio Dante]

Bless those who think Twitter bullshit is actually transfer business

 

[ILSpur]

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Add yet another name to the pile of players we are linked to that just won't happen.

We'll be lucky if we might bring in 3 players this window and I highly doubt if any of them will really happen before we offload a few. Levy has already said as much and their highlighting of Ange's affinity for developing youth players should just tell us all we need to know about how this window is going to go.

 

[Silvio Dante]

i remember this forum excited by gollini

hardly played, its so crucial we get the gk position right

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I honestly can't separate in my head what Gollini and Gazzanigga did at Spurs. Gazza flying kicked Marcos Alonso so it's not all forgettable.

 

[Guido 🇺🇦]

Big clubs sidestep FFP for the same reason wealthy people don't pay taxes - their legal teams and accountants are better than those working for the regulatory bodies.

Chelsea's spending, to wit, was enabled by amortizing the costs over successive years. Not difficult to do, and other clubs will be doing the same.

Don't hold your breath on a woolwich fire sale.

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Name the clubs that are flaunting FFP regs in addition to the ones that I listed in my post.

What Chavs did was legal and we've been doing it more than most clubs, in fact until their splurge last season only Man U did it more than us, we had the 2nd highest differed payments in the Legaue!!

But Chavs did it with steroids over a much longer period last season but that carries a huge risk if the player doesn't work out. Well, it did as what appears to be happening now it has come to light that they are 60% PIF owned and are selling all of their transfer mistakes on massive wages that no other Club on the planet would take on, until now and x4 other PIF Clubs in Saudi who are not only taking those players but are buying them and paying them way over market rate. No doubt this will be investigated. The length that they deferred these payments has now been shut down and can't be repeated.

City has been charged. They've already been found guilty by UEFA but got off due to time bar technicality, there are no times bars with the PL, the charge is the same, and the defence is no longer a time bar (they offered no defence other than time bar, they don't have a defence). Yes it will take years because this is the MO of City lawyers.

Do you want us to cheat too and kick the can down the road?

 

[r-u-s-x]

that would be the death of his career, he's only 22. badly advised if he accepts. But that's not for this thread

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The death of his career appears to be when he signed another contract with Chelsea instead of moving a while back

 

[CarrieFi]

 

[r-u-s-x]

Yes. My understanding is that UEFA prevents multi club ownerships so this type of doping doesn't happen in Europe. So being in Asia skirts around it. It's pretty obvious actually, now it's happening. the PL Should've seen this coming a mile off. No doubt Matt Ritchie, Ryan Fraser and Jamaal Lascelles are about to get £100m moves as well.

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UEFA are relaxing those rules and I believe it only prevents playing in their competitions.

 

[r-u-s-x]

Name the clubs that are flaunting FFP regs in addition to the ones that I listed in my post.

What Chavs did was legal and we've been doing it more than most clubs, in fact until their splurge last season only Man U did it more than us, we had the 2nd highest differed payments in the Legaue

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Deffered payments for transfer fees don't effect ffp (long contracts for players does) because for ffp you divide the transfer fee by contract length.

100m 3 year contract =33m per year for ffp
100m 10 year contract =10m per year for ffp.

 

[Silvio Dante]

UEFA are relaxing those rules and I believe it only prevents playing in their competitions.

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I see. Guess it's enough to put off investors in big clubs though, given the risk of CL/EL clashes.

 

[Shadydan]

Name the clubs that are flaunting FFP regs in addition to the ones that I listed in my post.

What Chavs did was legal and we've been doing it more than most clubs, in fact until their splurge last season only Man U did it more than us, we had the 2nd highest differed payments in the Legaue!!

But Chavs did it with steroids over a much longer period last season but that carries a huge risk if the player doesn't work out. Well, it did as what appears to be happening now it has come to light that they are 60% PIF owned and are selling all of their transfer mistakes on massive wages that no other Club on the planet would take on, until now and x4 other PIF Clubs in Saudi who are not only taking those players but are buying them and paying them way over market rate. No doubt this will be investigated. The length that they deferred these payments has now been shut down and can't be repeated.

City has been charged. They've already been found guilty by UEFA but got off due to time bar technicality, there are no times bars with the PL, the charge is the same, and the defence is no longer a time bar (they offered no defence other than time bar, they don't have a defence). Yes it will take years because this is the MO of City lawyers.

Do you want us to cheat too and kick the can down the road?

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If we do cheat what's the liklehood that they'll use us as an example and throw the book at us, bound to happen

 

[MemphisWill]

Name the clubs that are flaunting FFP regs in addition to the ones that I listed in my post.

What Chavs did was legal and we've been doing it more than most clubs, in fact until their splurge last season only Man U did it more than us, we had the 2nd highest differed payments in the Legaue!!

But Chavs did it with steroids over a much longer period last season but that carries a huge risk if the player doesn't work out. Well, it did as what appears to be happening now it has come to light that they are 60% PIF owned and are selling all of their transfer mistakes on massive wages that no other Club on the planet would take on, until now and x4 other PIF Clubs in Saudi who are not only taking those players but are buying them and paying them way over market rate. No doubt this will be investigated. The length that they deferred these payments has now been shut down and can't be repeated.

City has been charged. They've already been found guilty by UEFA but got off due to time bar technicality, there are no times bars with the PL, the charge is the same, and the defence is no longer a time bar (they offered no defence other than time bar, they don't have a defence). Yes it will take years because this is the MO of City lawyers.

Do you want us to cheat too and kick the can down the road?

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The problem with Chelsea is it's going to be pretty impossible to prove that Saudi "own" Chelsea. Chelsea are owned by an investment firm. That investment firm also has billions in assets from the PIF under management. It's not hard to show on paper how the two are not related. But it's easy to understand that even without shares, the PIF can exert huge influence over Clearlake.

You have wonder about the people who chose Clearlake as the winning bid for Chelsea, and how they may have benefitted from that choice.

The fact that the very nature of investment firms makes it hard to determine who is actually calling the shots with groups like Clearlake and ENIC is the best case you have for semi-nationalization of the sport and institution of a 50+1 scheme. Legally, however, it's still a pipe dream, if you ask me. I find it hard to believe there's actually any legal path leading to that.

As far as side stepping FFP, I'm not saying all the clubs are doping at the City level. But I have zero doubt that justifying the cost of a transfer in the current regulatory situation is simply an accounting task. There's zero evidence any major PL club has ever suffered limited spending or been forced to sell players due to FFP constraints. I don't think there ever will be.

 

[CarrieFi]

 

[r-u-s-x]

The problem with Chelsea is it's going to be pretty impossible to prove that Saudi "own" Chelsea. Chelsea are owned by an investment firm. That investment firm also has billions in assets from the PIF under management. It's not hard to show on paper how the two are not related. But it's easy to understand that even without shares, the PIF can exert huge influence over Clearlake.

You have wonder about the people who chose Clearlake as the winning bid for Chelsea, and how they may have benefitted from that choice.

The fact that the very nature of investment firms makes it hard to determine who is actually calling the shots with groups like Clearlake and ENIC is the best case you have for semi-nationalization of the sport and institution of a 50+1 scheme. Legally, however, it's still a pipe dream, if you ask me. I find it hard to believe there's actually any legal path leading to that.

As far as side stepping FFP, I'm not saying all the clubs are doping at the City level. But I have zero doubt that justifying the cost of a transfer in the current regulatory situation is simply an accounting task. There's zero evidence any major PL club has ever suffered limited spending or been forced to sell players due to FFP constraints. I don't think there ever will be.

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Are Everton major? Richarlison was driven by their needs to appear more ffp compliant.