Who knows (how many league minutes did he get under Conte?).
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One doesn't disprove the other
Conte’s problem was he wanted too much at a club that wouldn’t give him it. He was also far too stubborn to change the formation when it was terrible to watch and every supporter hated it. The crazy thing is I think we’d still have got top four if he stayed until the end of the season.
That ship has sailed and for me I can’t wait to watch Ange’s team. I wasn’t excited by Conte’s appointment or Jose for that matter but I am about this one. I think we might be about to enjoy watching our team every week again for the first time in a long time.
You can, that's a total false equivalence by the way.
Conte only had Emerson when Spence was sent out on loan who was not only shit, he also wasn't a natural RWB, you know the position that is needed in Conte's system.
Ange plays inverted full backs so he doesn't need a RWB so it makes sense for Spence to go now.
There's still actual grown ups absolving Conte of blame, it's fine not the trust the club because we know they do a lot of fuckeries but it's concerning that people ignore evidence staring at them directly in the face to think that Conte was some sort of net positive for us and in this particular situation he was somehow vindicated, it's generally laughable at this point.
Bissouma was another club signing likely and eventually he did start because he was obviously doing the right things in training. I honestly don’t believe Conte wouldn’t play Spence to annoy the club. When we signed Spence Conte had been backed in the market and things were on a high and looking very promising so at that point I can’t honestly see why he’d just not play a player if he was good enough just to make a point. That doesn’t make sense at all. I think a lot of people try make things up that isn’t there. Especially in this place
Nobody is saying Emerson is shit now because Conte coached him to better performances. The club invested in a player who only plays RWB when they were aware that Conte was in the last year of his contract and not yet signed an extension and now Spence is surplus to requirements. More money wasted
Of course he gets some blame for the 8th place, everyone does, but I don't by into the narrative that he's a shitty coach. If he didn't take over from Nuno, we would be even more fucked up. He took us from midtable to CL, I'm not expecting Ange to do the same but if he does he will deserve praise too.
Conte and mourinho are the types of managers we should never ever go near again. Both gave off this vibe they were bigger than us and the negative style of play is something I never want to witness again at Tottenham. I still don’t blame him for the Spence situation. If a player is good enough they will play. I still hope Spence comes good because what he produced consistently at Boro was excellent. His confidence will be shot to fuck from last season but hopefully he gets a lift from Ange and gets a chance or goes and shows how good he can be on loan till Xmas
But Conte can't be blamed for Spence going out on loan now, if that's what happens.
So we're trying to spin this whole narrative that Conte somehow coached Emerson into better performances in a season where his coaching failed every other player bar Kane who is obviously world class and Bentancur who got injured around the time the team and Conte shit the bed. I'm not buying that he had much to do with Emerson's improvement because the guy failed every metric at coaching last season for the vast majority of our players.
If that is indeed your logic why couldn't he coach Spence to improve then?
I'm not going to disagree with you that the club wasted money on Porro as I think the club were trying to appease him and bend over backwards for him but I don't think that happens if Conte did his job and actually played Spence, every other top manager you can think of in that situation would have done that but Conte decided to handicap himself and the team out of stubbornness.
I don't think he's a shitty coach by the way but he needs a lot to go for him to succeed, he can only really get short term results because his management style is old skool and it just rubs people up the wrong way.
Of course he can.
I blame Conte for me burning my toast 20 minutes ago because I was texting on here. Conte is a cunt
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Well I don't blame him for anything that happens to Spence after he left his position as team manager.
But now we have a new manager and it's a chance for Spence to impress and he should be more suited to Ange's system
Haha even if you did read that, it was clearly absolute bollocks
Ange doesn't play RWB's so how is he suited to his new system?
The only player who is kinda suited to his system is Emeron who is a natural RB
There are plenty of courses for people with short attention span
You can blame him for his decisions having a domino affect, if Conte actually did his job and used Spence then then there's a high chance we wouldn't have signed Porro.
True, but the majority of managers are like that especially if they have previously been successful with that formation/system. Ange seems to be the same, if we are leaking goals all over the place because of his all out attacking 433 I don't think he will suddenly go defensive and make major changes to his formation or tactics. He has said he knows what works for him and he will stick to it no matter what.
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If he doesn't get any credit for Emerson becoming better then he can't get some blame for the poor performances of the other players.
His coaching wasn't enough to make Spence better, possibly Spence not ready to make the step up yet.
Nobody has a right to a first team spot, it's Conte's job to put out the best team possible as of yet there has been no evidence that Spence deserved to play. And the club spending nearly 40m to appease Conte in January when they weren't prepared to do that in the summer, I mean you're having laugh. The board did it because they wanted to and they knew Spence wasn't good enough.
He succeeded while he was here and the odds were certainly against him when he took over