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r-u-s-x said:
Nope, no chance. It took about 20 years and a threat of Stratford for the current development. If they were all council flats maybe otherwise they say swivel. They can wind up tottenham and sit on playing fields.
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There's no chance the council would allow them to just shut the building and it be disused when the alternative is they're willing to turn it into something for use. You're being silly.

Anyway, it's a completely exaggerated hypothetical merely for illustrative purposes.
 
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r-u-s-x said:
They can at a huge loss to themselves, so much it can be discounted.

With that in mind fans /authority's do have a fair bit of power

They have all the decisions as a football club which means that others have a fair bit of power
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Which is my point - the only power the supporters have is to boycott the club and create financial negative impact. Singing songs or chanting "Levy out!" isn't going to cut it. They don't give a fuck, and Levy is an owner, not an employee....no one is going to get him sacked or force him to sell. The idea he "feels pressure", which is constantly brought up, is complete bullshit.
 
MemphisWill said:
There's no chance the council would allow them to just shut the building and it be disused when the alternative is they're willing to turn it into something for use. You're being silly.

Anyway, it's a completely exaggerated hypothetical merely for illustrative purposes.
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Do you know that area? Their voters hate gentrification.

But your right it's irrelevant because tottenham as a football club is so much more valuable than assests without.

If tottenham are a football club fans have power
 
MemphisWill said:
You're being obtuse. There's literally nothing anyone could do to prevent it, were ENIC to decide to do it.
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It's an interesting thought experiment, but I think it's instructive to understand that the physical property is not what is multibillion pound valuable, it is the football club itself, and that's valuable because it is beloved by millions.

We are the money. Every penny in football comes directly or indirectly from the fans.

Anybody who forgets that is only fooling themselves.
 
Can we not chat about ENIC winding down the club.

Pretty soon it'll be fact to some on here and it'll be brought up in every thread.

Let's stick to whinging that they don't buy us any players ever.
 
FightingIllini said:
It's an interesting thought experiment, but I think it's instructive to understand that the physical property is not what is multibillion pound valuable, it is the football club itself, and that's valuable because it is beloved by millions.

We are the money. Every penny in football comes directly or indirectly from the fans.

Anybody who forgets that is only fooling themselves.
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Except they have created a stadium that can host all sorts of annual events, and probably would be happy if Spurs plumetted down the divisions to avoid costly contracts.
 
Dr Rocktopus said:
Except they have created a stadium that can host all sorts of annual events, and probably would be happy if Spurs plumetted down the divisions to avoid costly contracts.
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The idea is to grow revenue not lose it.
Our wage/ revenue ratio is about 50%. For most clubs it’s higher.
That means for every £2 in revenue, only one goes into salary.
The revenue for a championship club is something like 60-70m even for parachute clubs.
Getting relegated will see a serious loss of revenue only partly abated by cheaper wages.
Levy would lose 100s of millions if not more.

All in all, another ridiculous comment.
 
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FightingIllini said:
It's an interesting thought experiment, but I think it's instructive to understand that the physical property is not what is multibillion pound valuable, it is the football club itself, and that's valuable because it is beloved by millions.

We are the money. Every penny in football comes directly or indirectly from the fans.

Anybody who forgets that is only fooling themselves.
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No one has claimed any different. The point is simply that the idea that the club isn't their property is delusional. It is, and it is 100% theirs to do with as they wish.

You are correct that supporters are the money. But, as I said, it's unlikely enough will ever do what's necessary to create actual pressure on ownership. People are addicted to football, so long as that is true we have no true power.

The power dynamics in football are far more similar to the power dynamics of drug dealers and addicts than they are any other business relationship. We're loyal to a fault and can't walk away. Even though the dealer's livelihood is dependent upon finances provided by the addicts, it's foolish to think the addict enjoys the power that would theoretically flow from that dynamic - quite the opposite. Football supporters have even less power, because it's not like we're going to walk away and go to another dealer (say, City) that treats us better.
 
MemphisWill said:
The power dynamics in football are far more similar to the power dynamics of drug dealers and addicts than they are any other business relationship.
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Well, people could always go to a different drug dealer.

I feel like the appropriate comparison is the holding of a private for-profit monopoly on something that by all rights should be a public entity.

Football fans have as much power as Comcast customers, that feels like the apt comparison.

Both industries threatened by cord cutting, incidentally.
 
r-u-s-x said:
Do you know that area? Their voters hate gentrification.

But your right it's irrelevant because tottenham as a football club is so much more valuable than assests without.

If tottenham are a football club fans have power
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Only if they exercise it as one.

If the apathy towards protest on here is any indication, then absolutely nothing will be done.

Apart from bleating on a message board that is...
 
FightingIllini said:
It's an interesting thought experiment, but I think it's instructive to understand that the physical property is not what is multibillion pound valuable, it is the football club itself, and that's valuable because it is beloved by millions.

We are the money. Every penny in football comes directly or indirectly from the fans.

Anybody who forgets that is only fooling themselves.
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So the £1.75B of debt that Chelsea amassed, which suddenly got wiped out, came from the fans?

The corporate sponsorships come from the fans?

The Billion+ spent by City came from the fans?

I think it's you that is fooling himself.
 
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