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You can't do a comparisson based on money spent alone.

A left back would cost less than a striker?

It's about the player, position on the field, contract remaining and any buy out clause?

What about free transfers?

The end of the day the PL table dictates who has been more suuccessful irrespective of spend(*****).

Didn't Leicester of a few seasons ago prove that?

There's all sorts of factors; yes.... But when people bellyache about the spending of others (esp. false claims), what other data can one be expected to work with?

FWIW: That big long post isn't about me trying to draw comparisons; it's a call for substance over emotion-driven myth & BS.

(****The last part makes it sound like you think I was trying to prove that we've been the most successful....... )
 
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IF we are one of those other clubs trying to get in on the deal.

And they can outbid us on a player for their farm team, when we are looking at them for the 1st team, football is broken imo.

We didn't even finish below them last season and we don't have worse prospects with our current squad.


If the lad wants to join a feeder club instead of going directly to a club buying him and into the first team squad/team then he is a prat and not worth considering. His choice.
 
- Last year: "It's cheating to count Romero, Kulu & Porro" cos they've not been finalised yet / This year: "It's cheating to count Kulu & Porro cos they were signed last year. Ditto Romero the year before.
Oh come on. You know damn well you and others like you used these signings to play up each respective transfer window when they initially joined :roflmao:

Why even bother trying to pretend otherwise?

You're taking the piss, mate. Blatant trolling.. . :mourcry:
 
Oh come on. You know damn well you and others like you used these signings to play up each respective transfer window when they initially joined :roflmao:

Why even bother trying to pretend otherwise?

You're taking the piss, mate. Blatant trolling.. . :mourcry:

I prefer counting them at the time they are signed and have said so on a multitude of occasions; but keep lying, JT......

That's all you have.
 
......Is that even true? ....According to what criteria? ....According to what source?

I've been good enough to provide scrutinise-able data. It's not fitting that you'd require me to swallow unsubstantiated counter-claims on face value... Esp. given how routinely false they (in general) transpire to be.

You can subtract the 10 year net spend from 5 year net spend to find the net spend from 14/15 - 18/19. We are the lowest out of all teams who were in the PL at any point between 14/15 - 18/19 (and are still in the PL now).

What you haven't explained is where you would draw a cut off instead and what makes that appropriate.
There is no perfect point to draw a cut-off.

But I've explained that this data can be misleading if used as a comparator between clubs as previous net spend can be re-invested.
Choosing 2019 as the cut-off exacerbates this flaw... as the net spend in the 5 years previous is close to 0 and bottom of the league while all our major rivals are in the 100s of millions.
 
You can subtract the 10 year net spend from 5 year net spend to find the net spend from 14/15 - 18/19. We are the lowest out of all teams who were in the PL at any point between 14/15 - 18/19 (and are still in the PL now).
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You have both brought up stadium costs as a mitigating factor which is fair... to an extent.

But does it really excuse the lowest net spend out of all teams who were in the PL then and now?

I don't think so..
And the knock on effect of that is what I discussed in my previous posts re 2019-2023 net spend data.
 
Oh come on. You know damn well you and others like you used these signings to play up each respective transfer window when they initially joined :roflmao:

Why even bother trying to pretend otherwise?

You're taking the piss, mate. Blatant trolling.. . :mourcry:
Haha the irony, you do the exact same thing to play down the spending in each window.

sometimes you're genuinely a parody of yourself.

I'm sorry Rodgers didn't get the job, I know you reveled in telling us all he was favourite.
 
Honestly hope I wake up to “Kane fee agreed” news tomorrow. I just want this nightmare to be over. It’s already broken me in two seeing him leave but I’ve accepted it now. I just want the money for Kane and to buy some top quality players to re-tool the squad in Ange’s vision.

A drawn out saga is worst case scenario.
 
You can find bad moments from literally every defender on earth. Imagine if we posted missed shots from every attacker we were linked to.
See: Van Dijk here...

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Honestly hope I wake up to “Kane fee agreed” news tomorrow. I just want this nightmare to be over. It’s already broken me in two seeing him leave but I’ve accepted it now. I just want the money for Kane and to buy some top quality players to re-tool the squad in Ange’s vision.

A drawn out saga is worst case scenario.

Tomorrow is when the good news starts.

CB signings and an end to the Kane saga.
 

You can subtract the 10 year net spend from 5 year net spend to find the net spend from 14/15 - 18/19. We are the lowest out of all teams who were in the PL at any point between 14/15 - 18/19 (and are still in the PL now).

OK..... Cool.... By the same token why segregate 14-19 from 19-23 at all?

Over the 10 year period;

Spurs: 539.46m (+ circa 500m into stadium!)
Liverpool: 453.96m
Everton: 285.08m

The underlying grumble is always about (lack of) ENIC investment; but if I'm Liverpool (eg) I'm wondering why their net outlay is effectively half that of a team with less revenue like Spurs.

There is no perfect point to draw a cut-off.

But I've explained that this data can be misleading if used as a comparator between clubs as previous net spend can be re-invested.

So, in theory, we should basically never bother comparing anything cos - without a true-zero starting point - it's always gonna be skewed and fucked up by something or another.....???

I wholeheartedly agree; but good luck curbing people's urge to do just that.

(Remember; we're not having this convo cos it was me comparing us the scum.)

Choosing 2019 as the cut-off exacerbates this flaw... as the net spend in the 5 years previous is close to 0 and bottom of the league while all our major rivals are in the 100s of millions.

..........And what then happens if you take 500m worth of stadium money and add that to our net spend total for the 10 year spell instead of the last 4/5??? (See above... It brings us right back in balance with the most net spendy in the league!)

Rhetorical of course; but just like the scum when they sold off all their best players during their stadium build; having to finance that kind of project out of the club coffers leaves a dent.... A dent the size of which it's taken them nearly 15-ish years to recover from (they've not won the league in 20 years having been regular title contenders for much of the previous 15 years!).

Do you genuinely think it's fiscally realistic that were gonna be able to plow that 500m out of nowhere straight back into the spend column in the accounts in the subsequent 5 year spell?

Of course not; so what gives here... What's the debate over?
 
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