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For the thousandth time, no you don't.

You just tell them they won't make the 25 man squad. It's no more expensive to us doing that and there's no risk we give them a whole years wages only for them to sign a contract the next day with a rival and earn double money.
If they still won't leave that's fine. But they're only hurting their own career. it makes NO difference whatsoever to us. Make them train away from the first team too so they don't get any benefit from staying.
What good does it do having them skulking around the training ground if they have no part in the manager’s plans?
If it’s no more expensive getting rid of bad apples/unwanted staff than keeping them, I don’t see the point in faffing around and pampering them for another year (which is what will happen).
How hard it must be to turn up for work to have a kick around with the kids, have free lunches, free access to training & medical facilities at Spurs lodge.
 
Pay off their contracts. I know it’s a substantial sum, but if players have absolutely no part in the manager’s plans then it seems that having them stinking the place out whilst still earning their wage is counterproductive. Show them the door and move on with a slimmed down squad.
They’re entitled to the money they signed up for. I have no quarrel with that at all.
But it sends out a message to any player with a shred of pride (& the majority do) that a refusal to move on isn’t something the club suffers any more.
The exception to that is poor old Dav. I wouldn’t move to a racist, war torn shit hole either and there’s a safety argument for him that most people would accept. But “Tanguy doesn’t want to go to Turkey” & “Hugo doesn’t want to be back up at Lazio” Doesn’t wash. Pay them off and let them have a free choice instead of stressing and cocking around when there’s work to do on incomings. I’d even settle for lower priced targets that fit the managers requirements than stellar named players if it meant we could put an end to some of these irritating sagas.

This is starting to drive me nuts, again you can't just pay players off without them agreeing first.

Also paying players off just sends out a really shit message and bad for business, it just encourages more players to sit on their contracts knowing that the club will pay them off when things start going wrong, all you're going to do is eventually have more players just sitting their waiting to be paid off.
 
Wait. Levy's a pain in the arse to deal with?

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Pepê is a great player, pure 1v1 winger. He is 26 though, not exactly a young unknown talent. And Porto have just lost Otávio for big money, I doubt they will accept a reasonable fee for Pepê.

He is also a LW, which surely would mean even less minutes for Perisic?
 
For the thousandth time, no you don't.

You just tell them they won't make the 25 man squad. It's no more expensive to us doing that and there's no risk we give them a whole years wages only for them to sign a contract the next day with a rival and earn double money.
If they still won't leave that's fine. But they're only hurting their own career. it makes NO difference whatsoever to us. Make them train away from the first team too so they don't get any benefit from staying.

Pay off their contracts. I know it’s a substantial sum, but if players have absolutely no part in the manager’s plans then it seems that having them stinking the place out whilst still earning their wage is counterproductive. Show them the door and move on with a slimmed down squad.
They’re entitled to the money they signed up for. I have no quarrel with that at all.
But it sends out a message to any player with a shred of pride (& the majority do) that a refusal to move on isn’t something the club suffers any more.
The exception to that is poor old Dav. I wouldn’t move to a racist, war torn shit hole either and there’s a safety argument for him that most people would accept. But “Tanguy doesn’t want to go to Turkey” & “Hugo doesn’t want to be back up at Lazio” Doesn’t wash. Pay them off and let them have a free choice instead of stressing and cocking around when there’s work to do on incomings. I’d even settle for lower priced targets that fit the managers requirements than stellar named players if it meant we could put an end to some of these irritating sagas.


Ok, I'll try another different way that people might understand

Let's call it gardening leave.
Common practice for employers when they have a departing employee with a long notice period.
We have players who we don't want near our club for various reasons, but we're contracted to legally pay them. Put them on gardening leave so that a) they don't annoy the employees we want and b) they don't go work for a rival any sooner than we want.

The cost to THFC is the same. The benefit of not "tearing up their contracts" is huge.
It may even prompt the player to leave of their own free will.
 
Thanks

So interpreting this stat is still ambiguous and would need visual scouting and context.
Yes, it does need visual back-up, and that’s where I’m falling a little short on him. I want to believe good things about Johnson. I am generally of the opinion that our recruitment team under Paratici and Gabbiani has a well-thought out, defensible plan, and I want to try to decipher what they’re seeing.

And I see a profile that likely checks a lot of boxes. It’s an unfinished profile but pace, ball carrying, obvious directness both in going at defenders&running in behind, and high output of shots and crosses to touches, I’m sure it lights up a lot of boards. He probably looks like a homeless man’s Kylian Mbappe on their data profiling. Which is exciting but also kind of concerning, because that’s also the Theo Walcott profile.

he’s a bit more than OK, not bad, but I think more of the eye test is needed with him, because he’d be bought to be a decisive player with an elite final ball… and I’m not sure if he truly has that in him.

The top wingers have what I call three-level-threat a) the short yard threat - they can go by a man in a phone booth, explode by someone in a tight space, with practiced and intentional skill, b) the mid level threat - they can beat a fullback with space in behind, they can dart into the box from wide, they can play a deft cross from the edge of the box, they can finish off cutbacks and on breakaways, etc. and c) long range threat - they can be a creative outlet with brilliant crosses from 30 yards away, they can stretch a defense from their own half, they can hit long shots and play cross field long balls.

He’s a great mid level threat player imo. But he lacks the top ball striking and long range threat that makes a Son or Perisic so special, as well as the short range threat that makes a Doku go to City for £60m. He actually reminds me a lot of Walcott, Azza, and also of Dele in that their skill is sort of limited to medium length stuff. They can scuff finishes in, play great passes across the box, they can beat one man wide, but they haven’t got the full toolkit that top European wingers have, both in terms of ball striking for crossing and finishing from distance, and in terms of short range beating a man. It’s a very English affliction.
 
This is starting to drive me nuts, again you can't just pay players off without them agreeing first.

Also paying players off just sends out a really shit message and bad for business, it just encourages more players to sit on their contracts knowing that the club will pay them off when things start going wrong, all you're going to do is eventually have more players just sitting their waiting to be paid off.
Those players with no pride in themselves or their careers will do that anyway.
Who wouldn’t agree to having their contract being paid off if they weren’t in the new managers plans and were going for nothing in a years time anyway?
It would be shit advice to push them to stay when they can take their money up front and be free to negotiate a new deal with a new club.
It drives me nuts to think that people think that most players would prefer to train with the reserves rather than get on with their careers elsewhere.
They’d have to really love the club to hang around like a drunk bloke in the erection section at the end of a blurry night in a club.
 
Ok, I'll try another different way that people might understand

Let's call it gardening leave.
Common practice for employers when they have a departing employee with a long notice period.
We have players who we don't want near our club for various reasons, but we're contracted to legally pay them. Put them on gardening leave so that a) they don't annoy the employees we want and b) they don't go work for a rival any sooner than we want.

The cost to THFC is the same. The benefit of not "tearing up their contracts" is huge.
It may even prompt the player to leave of their own free will.
If we don’t want them, who gives a fuck whether they go to Fulham or Fiorentina?
None of our cast offs are going to a rival.
I did snigger at that.
And in the unlikely event that they were wanted by another PL club, they’d be going next year anyway.
They have no value to the club if they are in the last year of their contract and do not figure in the plans of a manager who has just been appointed. They’ll be gone before Ange regardless.
 
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