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Transfers January Transfer Thread 2024

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Austin, Davies, Forster, Johnson, Maddison, Skipp, Sessegnon, Whiteman

That's the list of home grown players currently in the squad

We could do with replacing one or two of those homegrown players, no?
Definitely could Sessegnon, whiteman or Austin.

Was listening to Gold&Guest(think that's what it's called) podcast. Ali Gold basically said that Austin and whiteman are on low wages both HG and CT to allow us to reach the quota. also don't kick up a fuss and are happy with their roles in the club and it allows other young goalkeepers to go out on loan to get game time.

I personally think it's a shit way to go about it and wastes places in the squad when they are never going to play.

This is why I don't have a problem with Skipp staying as he is useful as a squad player.
 
They're annoying, whining cunt bags - they all seem to think that they're victims when they've blatantly cheated the rules (what a shock).

The twat used words like "unprecedented" "unjust" "targeted" and "unnecessary" as an excuse and that the points deduction should and must be reversed.

He said nothing about the incompetence of the club to understand the rules on FFP or even ask who at the cub approached the PL for guidelines on the rules.
 
I don't get how going hard on Everton is going to teach City a lesson. But that's what the authorities want you to believe, sure.

The reality is, City's previous blatant doping (like Chelsea when Abramovich took over) has baked in their advantage now. Strict FFP won't even hurt them anymore.

The way to fix the competitive balance is a more socialist structure with large scale revenue sharing and a fixed spending cap.

A fixed spending cap in the PL is not different from FFP but in word only?

What is at fault is the spineless implementation of the rule.

An independent body is required to enforce the rules, not one led by people within the game.
 
Definitely could Sessegnon, whiteman or Austin.

Was listening to Gold&Guest(think that's what it's called) podcast. Ali Gold basically said that Austin and whiteman are on low wages both HG and CT to allow us to reach the quota. also don't kick up a fuss and are happy with their roles in the club and it allows other young goalkeepers to go out on loan to get game time.

I personally think it's a shit way to go about it and wastes places in the squad when they are never going to play.

This is why I don't have a problem with Skipp staying as he is useful as a squad player.

We have NO other club trained players to take their place - so if we don't have one of them we have no 3rd GK and no possibility to bring in any other players.

So its NOT any spaces wasted.

And we are mandated to name 3GK's so do NOT want to follow Redknapp who brought in a Croatian international GK on high wages as 3rd GK but never played him . And had one less player that he could use as the GK occupied an overseas trained squad place . Madness,
 
A fixed spending cap in the PL is not different from FFP but in word only?

What is at fault is the spineless implementation of the rule.

An independent body is required to enforce the rules, not one led by people within the game.
Not true at all - with increased revenue sharing and a fixed spending cap, spending would be equalized across the league.

FFP being tied to revenue only etches the richer clubs' advantage in stone. FFP benefits the top 4-6 clubs far more than it helps anyone else.
 
I don't get how going hard on Everton is going to teach City a lesson. But that's what the authorities want you to believe, sure.

The reality is, City's previous blatant doping (like Chelsea when Abramovich took over) has baked in their advantage now. Strict FFP won't even hurt them anymore.

The way to fix the competitive balance is a more socialist structure with large scale revenue sharing and a fixed spending cap.

Disagree. The concept of FFP is the best option (The NFL model sucks)...... But it needs to be robust and more efficient(*).

(*See Everton dodging relegation for 2 seasons at the direct expense of Burnley, Leeds, Leicester & S'oton.)

The City & MC doping is utter cuntery (and yes their advantage has indeed been "baked in"); but that it was allowed to happen shouldn't influence the thinking about how to best proceed moving fwd. The way to redress the ill-gained strength of those two clubs has presented itself (in the form of the long list of charges the pair of them now face); but the will has to be there to appropriately punish them(*).

(*Which it 99.9999999% sure won't be.)
 
Disagree. The concept of FFP is the best option (The NFL model sucks)...... But it needs to be robust and more efficient(*).

(*See Everton dodging relegation for 2 seasons at the direct expense of Burnley, Leeds, Leicester & S'oton.)

The City & MC doping is utter cuntery (and yes their advantage has indeed been "baked in"); but that it was allowed to happen shouldn't influence the thinking about how to best proceed moving fwd. The way to redress the ill-gained strength of those two clubs has presented itself (in the form of the long list of charges the pair of them now face); but the will has to be there to appropriately punish them(*).

(*Which it 99.9999999% sure won't be.)
Why do you think equalized spending sucks? Sport is better when it's about the field/pitch and not the bank accounts. No one got into football because they enjoy annual statements.
 
We have NO other club trained players to take their place - so if we don't have one of them we have no 3rd GK and no possibility to bring in any other players.

So its NOT any spaces wasted.

And we are mandated to name 3GK's so do NOT want to follow Redknapp who brought in a Croatian international GK on high wages as 3rd GK but never played him . And had one less player that he could use as the GK occupied an overseas trained squad place . Madness,
I do get It but we have 4 goalkeepers It has become wasted spaces because it was poorly managed.

There's a few players out there now who if squad was managed better could still be part of a squad and actually be contributing.

Some who are playing at a good level.

Goalkeepers can only compete for one position and very rarely do get game time unless they're the number one.

I think it is much better to have HG & CT as outfield players.
 
Hence the fact that you don't get the same old teams in the playoffs every year...much better system...financial equality
Yeah. Sport should be about identifying and developing players, coaching them to be the best squad they can be. Putting your best against their best and seeing who wins.

Equalized spending makes it about the players, managers, and coaches. FFP makes it about who can negotiate the most profitable sponsorships.
 
Why do you think equalized spending sucks? Sport is better when it's about the field/pitch and not the bank accounts. No one got into football because they enjoy annual statements.

It's simple....... If we win X then we should be allowed the ability to build upon that success.

The only way I'd entertain a socialist structure; is if it mean all the money was re-configured to bring ticket prices and TV subs through the floor......... But that would never happen.


(I'm guessing, but I bet being an NFL fan is no less a hit to the pocket than following a big EPL team....?)
 
It's simple....... If we win X then we should be allowed the ability to build upon that success.

The only way I'd entertain a socialist structure; is if it mean all the money was re-configured to bring ticket prices and TV subs through the floor......... But that would never happen.


(I'm guessing, but I bet being an NFL fan is no less a hit to the pocket than following a big EPL team....?)
Being an NFL fan makes following an EPL team look like child's play. Its nearly impossible to attend an NFL game even in the gods for under £250+. ST prices are easily 10X the cost for less than half the matches. It's a completely different ticketing system. In the US a massive percentage of the season tickets are owned by ticket brokerage companies - legalised touts.

It's not apples for apples, and that's not what I'm proposing.

What is wrong with equalized spending? You say that you want the right to win, profit off that success, and build an even larger advantage on the back of that.

That's basically what's happened in Spain with Madrid and Barca, and Germany with Bayern. I'd submit that it hasn't made football better in those countries, but worse.

In exchange for letting clubs like United pull away excessively, 80% of the league begins the season knowing they have practically no chance of winning anything. In a modern environment where all the matches are easily available on TV, this is why you have kids from Blackburn or Nottingham supporting City or Chelsea instead of Rovers or Forest. So the rich get richer while the poor get poorer, and the whole sport rots from the bottom up. Eventually, so many clubs die that its hard to even argue with the top clubs breaking away.
 
I do get It but we have 4 goalkeepers It has become wasted spaces because it was poorly managed.

There's a few players out there now who if squad was managed better could still be part of a squad and actually be contributing.

Some who are playing at a good level.

Goalkeepers can only compete for one position and very rarely do get game time unless they're the number one.

I think it is much better to have HG & CT as outfield players.

The rules say we MUST name 3 GK's in a squad.

So if we have squad places that cannot be filled (Club Trained players) then use a space for non playing 3rd GK's and use other places for the best outfield players we can get.

So the squad is being reasonably well managed.

Next summer the players we will likely sell and try to upgrade on are Sessegnon (one HG player) and the others are overseas trained players - Hojbjerg, Lo Celso, Gil and then after that possibly Davies, Royal and Solomon, but doubt we'll get onto these 3 last ones ?), assuming Werner works out.
 
Yeah. Sport should be about identifying and developing players, coaching them to be the best squad they can be. Putting your best against their best and seeing who wins.

Equalized spending makes it about the players, managers, and coaches. FFP makes it about who can negotiate the most profitable sponsorships.

But that ONLY works in a sport with NO relegation or promotion, as each of PL, Championship, League 1, National League and amateur leagues operate with very different expenditure levels.
 
Why do you think equalized spending sucks? Sport is better when it's about the field/pitch and not the bank accounts. No one got into football because they enjoy annual statements.


Equalised spending in Sport is cool in a franchise league like the US.

Relegation and promotion complicates it a bit though.

It’s also a bit forced and kills the romance of giant killing when everyone has the same ability to spend.
 
By definition all home grown players have come from PL - and if any sold abroad later, almost certainly the better ones will be even more expensive than just buying HG players from PL.

Just a question of identifying the best HG players and the club's situation and buy appropriately (eg Maddison at £40m is not an expensive player for what he can do despite being HG)
All the stars were aligned with the Madders transfer, it's not something that will happen too often. We finished 8th only Newcastle were seemingly in for him and he wanted to come to London.
 
But that ONLY works in a sport with NO relegation or promotion, as each of PL, Championship, League 1, National League and amateur leagues operate with very different expenditure levels.
It would work in a reunified Football League. The key would be revenue distribution reaching all the way into the National League, and balancing the spending levels appropriately. Spending at League 2 is low enough, it can be made to work.
 
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