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I did. We had a ceremony and everything...where were you?!
Our academy hasn't been that great really, Kane obviously the exception but otherwise Skipp and KWP, KWP wasn't even that good when he played with us. Chelsea by contrast have had bucket loads of talent come out of their academy that they mostly wasted.
Thankfully that seems to be changing, we are top of the table in both 18/21 leagues and have Moore, Hall, Dorrington, Donley, Devine, Vuskovic, Philips and a few others in the below 20 age group. Never seen us with such a big crop before.
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This "Ceremony" you speak of.... what did it look like?
No I wouldn't he has his value as a squad member. He 100% deserves his spot and he did in the summer. There's six players Id sell first.
Chelsea have got exactly what they wanted from their academy - money.Our academy hasn't been that great really, Kane obviously the exception but otherwise Skipp and KWP, KWP wasn't even that good when he played with us. Chelsea by contrast have had bucket loads of talent come out of their academy that they mostly wasted.
Thankfully that seems to be changing, we are top of the table in both 18/21 leagues and have Moore, Hall, Dorrington, Donley, Devine, Vuskovic, Philips and a few others in the below 20 age group. Never seen us with such a big crop before.
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The last player I can think of for them that has come through and been a genuine Chelsea great is Terry.
The rest have been flogged off for what can only really be described as mind boggling fees.
Maybe Reece James could be classed as an academy success, but he's always injured.
Under Harry Redknapp, AVB and then Sherwood a number of Spurs youngsters were given opportunities in Spurs first team. Off the top of my head Adam Smith, Ryan Fredericks, Ryan Mason and Nabil Bentaleb went on to have good careers in PL whilst Andros Townsend and Jake Livermore not only notched up a lot of PL appearances but also a number of England caps each. Not to mention the once in a generation Harry Kane.
So the talent was there before Poch arrived and they were capable of being squad players for Spurs and filling the Club trained spaces that we now have left unfilled.
The difference is, Poch inherited something like 6 or 8 players with tens of PL starts between them capable of being squad players. He sold them all bar Harry Kane for circa £100m (so other clubs also thought them worthwhile as squad players.
Despite 6 years at Spurs, Poch left pretty much ZERO club trained players with many PL appearances - his biggest successes probably KWP who played about 6 times in 3 years despite picking up a couple of MoTM awards and Harry Winks. Just 2..
Conclusion is Poch failed to develop youth players out of the academy. No other conclusion is possible based upon the facts
Starks had a strong window so far - one of the forums most reliable posters… but he’s just gone in two-footed on the Estonian winger TheSpurEst . Completely uncalled for and he’s lucky not to be carded. Hope he can sort himself out for the rest of the window.
Who’s Phil?
Dunno but apparently you'd love his sister
That's the actual point though, had they gone on loan there is a better chance that they would have improved and level'd up.
There's literal thousands of examples of this being the case.
If he did that then no-one would be sitting here complaining now.
Looks like the Saudi's are about to turn the taps on.
Better get a move on if we want to get any deals tied up.
Better get a move on if we want to get any deals tied up.
Of course there are. Because those 6 players probably have no value.
Ask yourself, is Emerson really a player you feel comfortable deputizing for Porro if we’re making a title run and playing in the Champ league ?
Useful player. Great person. But he’s not at the level we need. To break even on him would be fantastic business.
But there’s also plenty of examples where it wasn’t the case?
For instance, who was the best young player to come through under Poch? Probably Winks, right? He didn’t go on loan once.
Then you look at someone like Josh Onomah, arguably the most highly rated young player we had in the early Poch years, he went out on loan at what, 18/19 years old? Yet look at his career trajectory.
The point is, particularly in this instance, I’d put my faith in the manager being a better judge than arm chair fans going “yeh Edward’s would’ve been the next Messi if it wasn’t for Poch m8.”
If Pochettino believed a young player was good enough to contribute to the first team, he kept them. If not, they were loaned out.
I don’t think there’s much more to it.
I understand what you're saying, particularly about changing minds, but to answer your question; the point is to have a discussion about it, to answer the raised question, to foster debate and conversation, rather than the nuclear war of a 'shots fired/mutually assured destruction' thread-derailer.What's the point?
He laughably suggested from highlight reels that Nusa had no speed, close control or dribbling ability. Three of the things that are quite clearly his strengths and reasons we would be interested.
Me telling him he has those exact things would do what exactly? Change his mind?
Shows how pointless the waffle of 350 words was when he could have asked a simple question of "what would Nusa provide?" instead of going on like some superior talent scout based on a 3 minute clip.
Unless of course the whole post was a troll attempt.
I wasn't blown away by his highlight reel, either, but there were glimmers of 'ooh, maybe?', so I could see some reason to ask questions about what others were seeing. SpursEst did that, and probably not as accusationally(?) as you might have thought. i.e. I think it was a genuine 'what am I missing'? rather than as 'what are you guys on'? FWIW, he did 'pull his punches', btw, 'no *real* speed' etc.
But, it's Monday morning and we're 5 days away from a fix, so I won't die on this hill!
Actually I don't think he was ever "poor". He was scapegoated because Conte played wing backs and his crossing isn't a strength. This led to a growing narrative around him that accentuated "moments" like the no look pass and missing a goal that "looked" easy.
But as a defender he was never poor. In fact he was one of our best one on one defenders and a great engine. And, as we've seen, an elite mentality. I thought he was Spurs best player from Fulham away onwards in that terrible end to the Conte era.
But when a narrative takes hold it's pretty poisonous. All the podcasts were at him and the crowd would get on his back from the first slightly heavy touch. It was a pretty disappointing time from our fans.
Anyway - he's a good player; becoming a bit of a cult favorite. I hope he stays with us but understand if playing time means we part ways in Summer.
Emerson is a player that can deputize at RB, LB and CB without really hurting us.
Look at Liverpool's prem winning squad and even the one they have now, if you don't have City money, you need utility players.