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Transfers January Transfer Thread 2024

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That salary cap the NFL have instituted has really leveled up the teams ...
You can't compare, though. NFL teams don't play in international competitions outside the US, where the rules may be different. If the PL institutes a salary cap, teams will be complaining that it will make them uncompetitive in Europe. There has to be a European salary cap, in order for this to work, but don't see that happening.
 
Sure he has. He's a solid player and a top professional. He's not gonna be a starter any time soon, but he's a good player to keep around.

Weirdly, I agree with sudoku here.

The whole point of having a good recruitment set up, is that you can churn the meh players and have immediate upgrades lined up.

Emerson and Davies are loveable pros, but not ultimately good enough. Take the money and trust the recruitment machine to replace for cheap. Well that’s how it should work anyway.
 
Would it even make sense for us now?

We might need 4 Cbs for next season but for balance a left footer might be the most sensible next one?

Well like you mentioned earlier, chaos and this club right? You can never have too many good CBs. It would be up to Ange and the players to figure it out.

We have a very specific CB profile.

Still don't think it happens, but don't all of our CBs have history playing 3 at the back?
 
In hindsight I simply don't think they where good enough so i agree with your point. Can't remember if it was POK or Ally Gold but one of them remarked that when Paratici came to the club he was shocked at the state of the youth set up which read very bad for John McDermott (just like Hitchen period reads bad for him at scouting) and worked hard to bring it up to the standards of a top club, even changed the payment structure to do everything to keep Mikey Moore.

We now are top of U18/21 leagues and have a huge batch of top kids. That has never happened before so change is on the way thank fuck. Even with this Ange has only used Veliz in any significant way, played Donley sparingly and not used Dorrington or Philips so clearly the level they need to hit is high.

Don't forget Spurs lost a number of its top youth players because of its failing to develop players

The best known of those players probably Noni Madueke

And other youth players started to avoid signing for Spurs and went elsewhere.

So in a nut shell, getting a reputation for poor youth player development means you increasingly have poorer players joining and the job becomes harder.

As a youth watcher I'd say pre-Poch probably half of each intake of a dozen players looked to have good potential (but knowing one or two actually would make it), but towards the end of Poch's reign, maybe only 2 or 3 players of the annual intakes looked to be interesting. So the odds are against getting youth players through
 
The point very simply is lots of players came through before Poch - including England internationals such as Townsend and Livermore, or PL regulars such as Snith, Fredericks, Bentaleb and Mason.

So Poch had a similar mix of ability players coming through including Madueke (now at Chelsea) as a good example.

However Poch produced nobody out of that stream of players except KWP and Winks - that's an incredibly low return compared to those coming through before he took charge.

That's why Poch is said to have failed to be a good youth developer.

Its a results business. And easily measurable

Taking a results only view, possibly, if you consider Winks & KWP only, a failure but when you consider the outside factors mentioned such as the talent produced from the academy at the time/the personnel leading the academy and the clubs priorities being almost solely focussed on the stadium build, not so much
 
Any point in it. We have 3 centrebacks, Davies as good cover on the left and Philips seems almost ready to join those next year, he seems to have settled into Championship level very well, hopefully step up next year.
Are Davies and Phillips near his level? Maybe both are sold and we bring him in. We need four - whether that is Davies or Phillips as back up, or four fighting for places is TBC
 
But it’s not just exceptions.

If you look at all the top clubs now that have academy players in their team doing well, how many of them went out on loan?

Sake? Never went on loan.
Rashford? Never went on loan.
Foden? Never went on loan.
Trent? Never went on loan.

Do you see City loaning out any of their young players that Pep thinks can contribute to the first team, like Rico Lewis or Bobb? You do in your eye.

If a manager thinks a young player is good enough to contribute to the first team, they’ll be kept. If not, they’ll be loaned. (As Poch did with many players!)
The thing is that for young players, in terms of development, nothing can replace getting game time in the mens game. It is much more valuable for them to play 20-25 games in a lower division than to come off the bench for 5-10 mins in a handful of games (in most cases games that have already been won or lost and are not at true game pace). There are the odd exceptions, but unless you are planning on giving a youngster 500-1,000 minutes of playing time per season, you are better off loaning them out.
 
Taking a results only view, possibly, if you consider Winks & KWP only, a failure but when you consider the outside factors mentioned such as the talent produced from the academy at the time/the personnel leading the academy and the clubs priorities being almost solely focussed on the stadium build, not so much

Youth coaching just needs some coaches good/experienced at coaching you plus a supply of youngsters coming through (which Spurs used to have}

Its not a high cost business I'd guess youth budgets for coaches and players wages say £15m pa at Spurs.

so stadium build shouldn't really impact on youth, providing the coaches focus on the youth
 
Well like you mentioned earlier, chaos and this club right? You can never have too many good CBs. It would be up to Ange and the players to figure it out.

We have a very specific CB profile.

Still don't think it happens, but don't all of our CBs have history playing 3 at the back?

It's a balancing act to have a functioning squad and also plan for the future.

Phillips sounds like he's max 1 more season away. Dorrington after him. If we sign another under 25 CB the pathway to the first team dries up.

If Davies decided he wanted to move and play every week in the summer then we need another CB but you'd still think that would be a left footed player if possible. Best case scenario is Davies is around next season as well and covers LCB of Dragusin or VDV can't play. Then the year after Phillips and Dorrington are ready to step in.
 
You feel confident saying this after 2 matches ?
It might be a bit premature to say that

But Phillips has played a dozen or so games at Blackburn in Championship and well regarded at E u19 level so a decent track record,

What's been good is the fan and local reporter reaction generally saying Phillips has looked very good at that level, looked far more comfortable than many more established players etc.

So lots of good very signs.
 
Youth coaching just needs some coaches good/experienced at coaching you plus a supply of youngsters coming through (which Spurs used to have}

Its not a high cost business I'd guess youth budgets for coaches and players wages say £15m pa at Spurs.

so stadium build shouldn't really impact on youth, providing the coaches focus on the youth

It needs the people at the top driving the end goal though, as has been stated by someone else when Paratichi came in he was reportedly shocked/surprised by the state of our academy - i bet if he had come in when Inglethorpe was here and prior to the stadium build he'd have had a different view.
 
Don't forget Spurs lost a number of its top youth players because of its failing to develop players

The best known of those players probably Noni Madueke

And other youth players started to avoid signing for Spurs and went elsewhere.

So in a nut shell, getting a reputation for poor youth player development means you increasingly have poorer players joining and the job becomes harder.

As a youth watcher I'd say pre-Poch probably half of each intake of a dozen players looked to have good potential (but knowing one or two actually would make it), but towards the end of Poch's reign, maybe only 2 or 3 players of the annual intakes looked to be interesting. So the odds are against getting youth players through

Madueke is an ok player but I wouldn't be that impressed if we signed him. I don't see many players we failed badly who should have been far better.

Chelsea is a case in point, they had far bigger talents on the whole than us but just went off selling them, if we did that I would be pissed off to lose out on Rice, Tomori, Ake, Abraham, Chalobah, Guehi, Loftus-Cheek. They also still have Colwell, James, Gallagher. That is miles and miles clear of us talent wise.

I mean if Poch or Jose had those and didn't use them I could understand the criticism but I don't think Winks or Onamah being used better would have made much of a difference.
 
Weirdly, I agree with sudoku here.

The whole point of having a good recruitment set up, is that you can churn the meh players and have immediate upgrades lined up.

Emerson and Davies are loveable pros, but not ultimately good enough. Take the money and trust the recruitment machine to replace for cheap. Well that’s how it should work anyway.

I don't disagree with that in principle either. It's also about priorities and how difficult it is to get transfers done.

Replacing Emerson and Davies isn't high on the priority list and if we look at the end of this window and the summer, we do have more pressing business.
 
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