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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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I think the ability to switch this up mid-game would go a long way.........

Especially on Porro's side who has wicked delivery.

If oppo are forcing us out wide and our WFwds aren't trad. wingery types, then that space has to be exploited somehow + it frees up the WFwds to give the ST some support in pulling the oppo CBs out of shape (in games like yesterday when it was essentially Richy vs 3 CBs he's fighting a losing battle).
Totally agree. We are nowhere near as bad as people are making out,we just need to find different ways to hurt teams.
 
It’s because we have never really had one before at least not a professionally done one. The ‘rebuild’ during the Poch era was laughable. Normally the club just sacks the manager as the ‘rebuild’.

Now we have a deeper structure with Munn, Lange, Paratici. We are buying lots of players for the future like Bergvall. It’s something new, it seems like for the first time we are looking long term (and I don’t mean long term business wise, we have always done that!) and for the fans and the baord/Levy it’s a completely new thing.

Long as improvement happens season on season I think we will stay the course.

Santini/jol/Arnesen was definitely a rebuild. But of course, it went the usual spurs way. Probably why a lot of us know deep down we will always fail with one. Every time we try we end up getting fucked over by outside factors or shoot ourselves in the foot!
 
Concerning that he thinks we’re making progress defensively.

Mate we’ve conceded 14 goals in our last seven!! That’s relegation level defending. And Wolves could’ve easily had a couple more.
 
Next you'll be telling us without Sons goal, we'd be loads of points worse off too!
But Vicario has saved our ass with saves that the majority of goalkeepers wouldn't make. it's like teams walk through our defence, have 1-1's with Vicario and he makes the saves again and again, just when I'm thinking oh shit we're going to concede here.

Take those saves away and it shows a truer reality of where the team is.

Yes I know taking Son out would mean less goals scored but those goals would be cancelled out if not for amazing and difficult saves by Vicario.

So we're a mid table team withn an amazing keeper that has helped us to win a few matches more.

Hopefully we'll be better next season, this one is over for us already. it's starting to look like Man United will overtake us in the league soon.
 
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But Vicario has saved our ass with saves that the majority of goalkeepers wouldn't make. it's like teams walk through our defence, have 1-1's with Vicario and he makes the saves again and again, just when I'm thinking oh shit we're going to concede here.

Take those saves away and it shows a truer reality of where the team is.

Yes I know taking Son out would mean less goals scored but those goals would be cancelled out if not for amazing and difficult saves by Vicario.

So we're a mid table team withn an amazing keeper that has helped us to win a few matches more.

Hopefully we'll be better next season, this one is over for us already.

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How do you play through teams that park the bus? We don't seem to get all that many clear chances in some of these games. Speeding up our passing would help of course.
You have to play quicker and more aggressively with your passing and get it wide and stretch teams and using an overlapping full back will always get a cross in. They can still play inverted but as the ball is on its way then they can start making their run to overlap. It doesn’t always have to be the full back. In our system it can be Sarr or Madders.
VDV is our most aggressive passer of the ball who quickens up our game. He was excellent yesterday at it but then it all slows down as we come back in the pitch.
 
But Vicario has saved our ass with saves that the majority of goalkeepers wouldn't make. it's like teams walk through our defence, have 1-1's with Vicario and he makes the saves again and again, just when I'm thinking oh shit we're going to concede here.

Take those saves away and it shows a truer reality of where the team is.

Yes I know taking Son out would mean less goals scored but those goals would be cancelled out if not for amazing and difficult saves by Vicario.

So we're a mid table team withn an amazing keeper that has helped us to win a few matches more.

Hopefully we'll be better next season, this one is over for us already. it's starting to look like Man United will overtake us in the league soon.
What a miserable outlook. Bet you’re fun at parties
 
No I agree.

We're a mid table team without our goalkeeping saving shots and our top goalscorer scoring goals.

Hopefully next season, they will save even more shots and score even more goals and we can achieve all the good things.
I'd say that Vicario has done more to help us win matches than Son has.

Yes hopefully we'll be better next season, this season it looks like Man United are catching us up after people saying how shit they are.
 
Age old dillema..... Finding the hi-quality young player who (along with their agent) is happy to ride the bench most weeks is easier said than done. Get CL and strike gold x 2 scouting-wise then maybe......... (It's the same landscape that's caused plenty of people to be shitting themselves over Dragusin's lack of game-time already)

I take your point about positional aptitude (i.e. inverted FB v trad FB) but the vast majority of clubs experience a degree of drop-off in quality between #1 option and their back-up counterpart.


Broader point; it's harsh to pin it all on Ben & Royal not being up to snuff when to your admission Maddison (and Biss.... And Son.... And Kulu aside from his goal and another opportunity) weren't on-song either.
The only difference is Airfix, Angeball is not viable with the drop off in quality of fullback. I bet his dream is to take off Porro/Udogie and pretty much bring on a player of the exact level. Unlike Radu at Centerback I could see his ideal being the inverted fullbacks playing 50 mins ( including stoppage time) and swapped every game. So way easier to sell this to the young player, they won't be waiting for injury just Destiny and Pedro running themselves out for 50 and on you go. I think we would love Robinson from Fulham and say Wilfred Singo from Torrino.
 
I'm bored.

I'm calling it. I was bored with Pochball when we had the lions share of possession and never got behind teams* and I'm bored with this.
Some injury time wins have hidden what has been some boring football.

I wasn't the only one in my block who was fucking bored shitless yesterday either. If it wasn't for all the late goals in games, I'd probably have gone before the 90 yesterday.


*this was more at the start and end if his reign
 
It’s because we have never really had one before at least not a professionally done one. The ‘rebuild’ during the Poch era was laughable. Normally the club just sacks the manager as the ‘rebuild’.

Now we have a deeper structure with Munn, Lange, Paratici. We are buying lots of players for the future like Bergvall. It’s something new, it seems like for the first time we are looking long term (and I don’t mean long term business wise, we have always done that!) and for the fans and the baord/Levy it’s a completely new thing.

Long as improvement happens season on season I think we will stay the course.
Nail and head.

We now have the back room personnel in place and the income generation from the stadium.

It’s not comparable to want went before.
 
I think it's pretty depressing if any system is apparently that inherently reliant on it's fullbacks of all people. That just suggests to me the rest of the team isn't cutting the mustard.

I made a post yesterday comparing us to Ange's Celtic team. Yes the fullbacks did what ours do - popping up in "free" positions, underlapping runs, getting into the area, etc - but they were more the icing on the cake. The ones who ran the game/system were the two "8/10"'s, one in either half space, and the wingers on either flank.

That's where we are failing currently. We need Maddison to shake off the rust, plus he needs to learn that his job is in the final third, others get the ball to him rather than him coming to pick it up off the centre backs toes. Any of us could do that.

Pape is a likeable lad who brings some things to the table others don't, but at the same time he can't just offer a lot of running, sporadic stuff with the football, and dropping deep and right most of the game... I get everyone loves him, but a lot of the time it's less Sarr, more Sarrsoko. I reckon he could be tried as the back up right back also if we're looking for options, he basically plays in that area most of the game to start with.....

Maybe the realities of the PL won't allow it but a lot of weeks I'd much rather be aping what he did at Celtic and get another creative 8/10 in there and have two options in the final third midfield positions.

Then we get to the wingers, the demands on these guys in this system are pretty big. Top notch acceleration, two way, technically good in their touch/dribble, be able to go past a man, play give and go's in tight spaces, offer short sharp intelligent off the ball runs.... and hopefully plenty of end product. They need to be top drawer, especially at PL level. Really I'd be all for blowing the whole budget on the best we can find for either flank.

Those four positions (plus the midfield pivot, again currently we're having our struggles here which doesn't help us win the battle for supremacy) should be the crucial ones carrying the majority of the threat and incision.
 
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