No it’s not , re watch the game , at least twice he done this , maybe he is not fit but if that’s the case it’s on Ange for picking him
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Manager Ange Postecoglou
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Agree. He’s never had a problem with previous managers or there being any rumours of him fighting with team mates or being late for training or whatever.
Sure there’s the betting problems. But Townsend got banned for betting didn’t he and that didn’t make him a cock.
I really can't disagree with any of this tbh.
Fancy saying
* it is who we are.. (what does that mean?)
* it is what we do.. (what does that mean?..?)
* i am not going to adapt
I have said this before, but plenty on here droned on about Maddison and what a prick he is, before we signed him. Turns out he's a good lad and a quality player. The people slagging Toney off know fuck all about him bar the betting thing. And I doubt he's ever getting in trouble with that again.
I think it’s more down to him twerking for a new club the minute he’s gotten back after Brentford stood by him.
Edited to add: Of course, footballers have short careers so I’m not blaming him but it does look a little ungrateful
I know people rate him highly on here, but I have never really been impressed. He doesn't seem to read the game as well as Hojbjerg; and certainly doesn't have anywhere near the workrate.
I thought this was the most interesting post match quote:
"We are not a team that's got individuals in it that can win games of football on their own, we don't have those players, we're not that kind of team."
If you look at the top of the table most seasons the teams that are top four do have those kind of players. The questions the quote raises are:
Does Postecoglou believe we need one of those players or does he think his system, fully implemented, will do a better job providing the goals other teams get from elite goal scorers?
Does this indicate he thinks Son isn't the type of player that can win games on their own?
How far off are we from Postecoglou feeling his system is in place?
I'm not asking any of that to imply a criticism of Postecoglou. I'm just trying to figure out the implications of what he's saying. Are we not the kind of team with star players (like a Harry Kane) who can change (win) games because we don't have that kind of player yet, or is the idea we aren't ever going to be and we'll rely on the system and not need that type player? And is there enough flexibility in the system to maximize a player like Son?
"We are not a team that's got individuals in it that can win games of football on their own, we don't have those players, we're not that kind of team."
If you look at the top of the table most seasons the teams that are top four do have those kind of players. The questions the quote raises are:
Does Postecoglou believe we need one of those players or does he think his system, fully implemented, will do a better job providing the goals other teams get from elite goal scorers?
Does this indicate he thinks Son isn't the type of player that can win games on their own?
How far off are we from Postecoglou feeling his system is in place?
I'm not asking any of that to imply a criticism of Postecoglou. I'm just trying to figure out the implications of what he's saying. Are we not the kind of team with star players (like a Harry Kane) who can change (win) games because we don't have that kind of player yet, or is the idea we aren't ever going to be and we'll rely on the system and not need that type player? And is there enough flexibility in the system to maximize a player like Son?
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He could play this game in Scotland because teams dont have the capacity to hurt Celtic. However in the PL, teams down the table have great players who can hurt you if you are off it tactically. Neto at Wolves is a great example. Dont think Hearts or Dundee United had any players like Neto.
I agree with the argument its only his first season, and we in a steady place. But that only counts if Ange is going to evolve. If he keeps up the 'I only play one way mate' stuff, then we almost certainly cap out at competing for a top 4 spot.
Take the home defeat to Chelsea. Nicholas Jackson didnt break through until the 75th minute. You could feel Chelsea getting anxious and tense the longer the game went on. Why wouldn't we drop deep and force them to break us down, which is something they struggled with? Let the anxiety creep into them when they should be winning against 9 men. Instead we played the highline, and it was a simple through ball to Sterling who squared it to Jackson - its crazy.
He needs to become more tactical and less philosophical, or it wont end well. Because if results like this become a theme, people are going to really get agitated.
I agree with the argument its only his first season, and we in a steady place. But that only counts if Ange is going to evolve. If he keeps up the 'I only play one way mate' stuff, then we almost certainly cap out at competing for a top 4 spot.
Take the home defeat to Chelsea. Nicholas Jackson didnt break through until the 75th minute. You could feel Chelsea getting anxious and tense the longer the game went on. Why wouldn't we drop deep and force them to break us down, which is something they struggled with? Let the anxiety creep into them when they should be winning against 9 men. Instead we played the highline, and it was a simple through ball to Sterling who squared it to Jackson - its crazy.
He needs to become more tactical and less philosophical, or it wont end well. Because if results like this become a theme, people are going to really get agitated.
i mean ur right but is the drama not part of the tradition in here.
goining from winning the league to we should sell all players.lol
the reality is just boring and simple, which is we have great potential
-we have a good manager
-we have a good squad
-we havea good youth
-we have good finance
but like playing hattrick.org the hardest thing is patience to trust in the club philosophy
we have many players that can become the world greatest
maybe he he plays mind games .Hoping that some players say "i show him"
Some people just do not have the stomach for supporting a sports team.
losing games and playing poorly doesn't make you a bad manager, especially at the beginning of your tenure at a new club.
The truth is, like every other club, including the ones people wish we were like, you have to strap in for the ride.
Ange brings the kind of football all of us were crying out for. If you want it, you have to give it longer than 6 months just like it took Klopp, Guardiola, Arteta, whoever.
losing games and playing poorly doesn't make you a bad manager, especially at the beginning of your tenure at a new club.
The truth is, like every other club, including the ones people wish we were like, you have to strap in for the ride.
Ange brings the kind of football all of us were crying out for. If you want it, you have to give it longer than 6 months just like it took Klopp, Guardiola, Arteta, whoever.
I think Klopp is more comparable. Pep and Arteta are much more tactical and play a much slower tempo designed to control the game. Whereas Liverpool are much more willing to gamble and take risks. I think Liverpool are the template to follow given Ange's approach.
However why do we insist on playing out from the back all the time? Sometimes Liverpool score goals simply hoofing it forward, or going long and having Salah, Nunez, Jota ect hound the defender looking for a mistake.
Wanna bet you’ll log out and never come back the moment Postecoglou leaves Tottenham?
If you can't work out what he means then you can't be helped.
You totally missed the point... The guy wasn't talking about who has the most similar style of play.
He's talking about the fact that none of the 3 just arrived and had the team playing consistently and in their image within 2/3s of a season.
He was great at the start of the season
Pal, if there's one person on here who is balanced and doesn't attack a player for the sake of it, that's our boyFattynomates .
Watch their first & especially second again and tell me with a straight face that was Biss giving 100%.
While you're at it, watch the whole game (again) and focus solely on him but with any agenda set aside...and again tell me that is a lad who tries his hardest.
You love Biss and what he could be for us, that's grand. Doesn't mean you can't be real about his level yesterday...and overall since he's joined.
I don’t believe he’s not trying. I would never aim that unless it was obvious and I do think the lad cares. We could go back and watch every game and I’ll tell you we only have 3 players who put everything into every sprint,tackle,header and do everything to win the ball back and that’s Porro,Romero and VDV.
On Biss on Saturday he gave the ball away twice in the game. What I have said is he is at fault with the goal with Royal because he does lose the ball and lets Gomez run by him at the other end of the pitch. I don’t see a player who doesn’t try or care and I won’t change my mind because fatty says he is. I wouldn’t start Biss because Bentancur is a better player.