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Transfers Summer Transfer thread - 2024
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Yeah, there's more to it. But you win points based on scoring more goals than the other team. And when you play in a forward role 80% of your value is putting the ball in the net.
I do agree that neither are bad, nor great, footballers. But Johnson is 22 with a hell of a start to his career, he just may well end up great. Toney at 28 has authored 1 really good season. Therein lies the difference between them.
Why are you pretending like the last 1449 of Toney's career didn't happen. This is the problem with most who want us to sign him - you're acting like it's June 2023 and he just came off a great season. 12 months on and he just put in a season that should leave him thankful he has a job in the PL at all.Giminez?
All the other names have never played Premier League football, all the other names have never played at a level as good as the Prem.
How many strikers have come into this league from weaker leagues and flopped, struggled or not hit the ground running from day 1
Nunez/Hoylund/Jackson/Gakpo all bought for relatively high fees in recent seasons and have all struggled to settle in.
I'm aware that there are exceptions to this rule like Isak and Haaland but then again Haaland is a complete outlier, guy's a freak of nature, Isak is a rare diamond.
I wouldn't say Toney is more than a risk than other players on that list at all, in fact what's the likelihood that Toney will regress, he has all the abilities to be a top striker in the right team, he can finish and create his own chances.
Like how many goals do you think Giminez is really scoring for that defensive Brentford team over the last few years? Do you genuinely see the likes of Gyokeres outscoring Toney if he played for Brentford over the last few years, come on be honest?
I'd have no problem taking a bet that Gimenez and Gyokeres score more PL goals from this summer forward than Toney (assuming either of the 2 do ever land in the PL).
It probably won't. I really think these South Americans are way more keen to play for their country than their club and nothing will stop them trying to play. Didn't he get injured playing for Argentina and that kept him out of the WC?
No.
Summer Transfer Window opens on 14 June and closes on 30 August.
Any club can talk to any agent/other club about any players outside that time too - which is why Spurs have announced loan signing of Timo Werner and signing of Luca Bergvall for the window about too open - more signing than any other PL club, so other clubs fans have even less news.
Problem with the timing is Euros and Copa America which may prevent a number of deals going through until after these competitions end.
Toney was pretty good the season before his big season. Just in terms of actual footballer stuff more than numbers. And he was staggeringly good in the championship.
Johnson's numbers at Forest were so-so, as you'd expect. His numbers at Brentford would also be so-so, he didn't do anything last season for Spurs which made you think that no matter where he played, he'd be keeping this up.
Toney would score and assist plenty for us. Richarlison has an incredibly basic profile and he managed it last season after turning up for basically one good run. We funnel lots of chances to the front three and get them in lots of 1v1 situations.
I struggled to parse it, too. I read it 5 times. I think it was the word' something':
"There quite literally isn't something I would be too scared to bet against that happening."
Hints of vagueness and double negativity.
Improvements:
There quite literally isn't anything I would be too scared to bet against that happening.
There isn't anything I would be too scared to bet against that happening.
There isn't anything I wouldn't bet against that happening.
I would bet anything against that happening.
That's not happening.
Not happening.
No.
He's going to be OK at best.
EDIT: If anyone has any homework they need marking, I'm currently seeking distraction.
I'm not, in my previous post I literally admitted that he had a poor season last season?
Like I said there are mitigating circumstances as to why he had a poor season because he didn't train for 8 months, why are you ignoring this? Like how do you explain a striker being in red hot form the season before then falling off other than the fact that he had a massive stoppage in his career thus affecting form and rhythm?
I didn't even say I *wanted us to sign him, all I've argued is that he doesn't represent a risk factor as much compared to some of the other names being put forward and we could do a lot worse
The truth is like I said people are just using selective arguments against him and not keeping the same energy for other players, you mention Ximenez but come on don't be silly, what evidence do you see of him coming in and settling in this league, he plays in the Eredivisie for God's sake, like it's on par with the Championship at best lol
Also I'm not gonna take up your bet until I know who these players sign for
I’d take all of them before Toney.
I’m even thinking about taking a punt on someone like Kolo Muani who had a bad year at basket case PSG but has everything we need.
Richy outperformed his xG last season and tbh he hardly missed a chance.
Toney has better link up play as a target man but there’s nothing to suggest he’d score more goals than Richy other than he’d likely be injured less.
Sure there is. He scored 20 league goals for Brentford which is more than Richarlison has ever managed in his entire footballing career.
Toney holds the ball up better, his fundamentals are better (first touch, running with the ball etc) and he's just generally easier on the eye. Finishing wise neither are particularly good, Richarlison was decent last season in this regard but was behind xG the 3 seasons prior.
Toney would take penalties as its an asset he adds and I'd wager most would prefer to play alongside him as he can do the footballer stuff.
I'd change it to that even if he doesn't have a stellar season!
His great season also involved 11 non penalty goals. I think a few were free kicks as well. He won’t take penalties or free kicks for us and he doesn’t offer what Richy does pressing so I doubt he’d even start either.
40m is a massive investment that we will never see a penny back from, how can anyone even remotely justify it with all the attached red flags and risks ???
How many were penalties and free kicks?
Son would take penalties and Maddison or Porro on FKs
Toney is a lot better than Son at penalties. He would take them.
Dunno about free kicks but if its particularly many he'd probably take them as well.
I believe Toney was managing a hip injury at the back end of the season which eventually meant he had to sit some games out/manage his minutes from the bench. Could be a contributing factor to the drop off in form, as he looked bang at it when he came back from his ban (he gave us plenty of problems in the win against them at home)
Son is our captain and we aren’t getting 9 penalties anyway.
Son is our captain only though sentiment. Should be Romero. Love son but too nice to be a captain...