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Ionman34 said:
I'm sorry but I have to disagree here. We won 8 of our first 10 games before Chelsea. We then went on a 3 game losing streak before drawing with City. After then losing to West Ham, which was an absolute travesty as we battered them, we then went on to win 3 on the spin, putting 4 past Newcastle, before holing out at Brighton.

In the next 14 matches we won 10, drew 2 and lost 2. Amongst them was the 4-0 battering of Villa and our 3-0 against Fulham.

After a draw to WH and a win against Forest, we then lost 4 on the bounce against those teams around us. After that, beat Burnley, lost to City (in a game we all wanted us to lose), then beat Sheffield Utd.

So whilst we may not have played as well as we did in those first 10 games, we were still dominating games, creating chances, scoring goals and winning more than we lost or drew, up until the final third of the season.

It's the final third of our season that you could say we were poor. 6 of our 12 losses came in that period. In the middle third, you could argue that we were unfortunate to lose 2 of them against Villa and West Ham, 2 days where our frontline were pretty abysmal, because we created enough good chance to win 4 games let alone those 2. Losing 4-2 to Brighton wasn't great, but it was an outlier. Let's also not forget that in that middle third, we had roughly 50% of our entire squad missing. This doesn't excuse our final third of the season, but demonstrates that 2/3 of our season went from excellent to fairly good, with 1/3 at the end being the drop off.

So to say that 2/3 of our season was poor is patently untrue.
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Yes, we absolutely have to disagree here.

Without the first 10 games we averaged 1,42 ppg. We conceded 52 goals and scored 52 with that run, GD of 0. That is 54 points per season. And this is 8th-10th place finish in Premier League. Yes, there were fluctuations up and down throughout that period and it was not fully linear - but read that again - across 28 games were were on 54 point season schedule.

You can find excuses to fill 100 book page, about "unluck", "fluke game" and "abysmal frontline" and "injuries" and whanot. I don't care about excuses, it is total losers game. I mean, come on, at the same post you mention that we lost a game cause 50% squad was missing and then bring out beating Newcastle 4:0 when they had even worse injury issues?!? Come on. All teams have injury issues and different problems across season.

And there was no improvement visible from any possible angle DESPITE many of injured players returning by then already. We finished the season in way that is inexcusable. We threw games away without opposition having to turn up. I still have nightmares from seeing us dismantled by Arsescum at home 0:3 by HT. No mental gymnastics will change this, as there are no excuses for such performances and such runs of games. Throughout the 2nd half of the season I saw us playing football for max 45 minutes at the time and having absolutely shocking game management. You can call it "dominating games" or whatever excuse sounds better. But week after week I saw a side that either did not turn up for first half or if they played well for first 45 then totally eased pressure in 2nd half.

And you TOTTALLY disregarded our cup performances that were shocking alltogether.

I don't know, maybe all that is OK for you. And then I get back to beginning - that we have to disagree. To me this is awful overall, maybe with much much much lower standards it is acceptable.
 
Shadydan said:
It's a rhetorical question, wasn't actually aimed at you broski - just responding to your post. :)
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TheSpurEst said:
Yes, we absolutely have to disagree here.

Without the first 10 games we averaged 1,42 ppg. We conceded 52 goals and scored 52 with that run, GD of 0. That is 54 points per season. And this is 8th-10th place finish in Premier League. Yes, there were fluctuations up and down throughout that period and it was not fully linear - but read that again - across 28 games were were on 54 point season schedule.

You can find excuses to fill 100 book page, about "unluck", "fluke game" and "abysmal frontline" and "injuries" and whanot. I don't care about excuses, it is total losers game. I mean, come on, at the same post you mention that we lost a game cause 50% squad was missing and then bring out beating Newcastle 4:0 when they had even worse injury issues?!? Come on. All teams have injury issues and different problems across season.

And there was no improvement visible from any possible angle DESPITE many of injured players returning by then already. We finished the season in way that is inexcusable. We threw games away without opposition having to turn up. I still have nightmares from seeing us dismantled by Arsescum at home 0:3 by HT. No mental gymnastics will change this, as there are no excuses for such performances and such runs of games. Throughout the 2nd half of the season I saw us playing football for max 45 minutes at the time and having absolutely shocking game management. You can call it "dominating games" or whatever excuse sounds better. But week after week I saw a side that either did not turn up for first half or if they played well for first 45 then totally eased pressure in 2nd half.

And you TOTTALLY disregarded our cup performances that were shocking alltogether.

I don't know, maybe all that is OK for you. And then I get back to beginning - that we have to disagree. To me this is awful overall, maybe with much much much lower standards it is acceptable.
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Spot on.
 
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