That's a good point tbf.
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That’s a different argument
No we ended the season with Mason. You're making yourself seem ridiculous.
Nah man. You’re the cunt here.
“Fans” like you are an embarrassment. In fact, humans like you are an embarrassment.
The funny thing is, when Conte was appointed all the Levy supporters told us to shut the fuck up because if he wasn't backed he would call Levy out.
18 months later he calls Levy out for his losing mentality ("20 years there is the owner, they win nothing. Why?) After not being backed........And the same people turn on Conte and back Levy!
Stellini
Mason for a couple games?
Either way Conte was a total fucking disaster
So true.The funny thing is, when Conte was appointed all the Levy supporters told us to shut the fuck up because if he wasn't backed he would call Levy out.
18 months later he calls Levy out for his losing mentality ("20 years there is the owner, they win nothing. Why?) After not being backed........And the same people turn on Conte and back Levy!
30 points were still available between Wiggy walking and the end. 3 more points from either Stelini or Mason and the team finished 6th and in Europa. Fine margins. But then 11 points out of 30 is pretty piss poor ( would have been relegation level form @ 1.1 points per game )
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Way off fella. Don’t wish death on people in the name of this club. I’m no levy fanboi but there are limits.
He got us to 4th in his first part season after taking over from Nuno, and we were 4th the next season when he departed, we sank further down after he left.
I don't see how Conte himself was a ''disaster''. The fans were singing his name most games.
That's all there is to it.
Also, when Conte was appointed fans expectations were understandably raised. He was, after all, a proven winner and a fiery character who lit the touch paper of optimism.
He was, as we all know, and probably knew at the time if we're being honest with ourselves, never going to realise our high expectations working for Levy.
Hence the subsequent appointment of a dour, ageing journeyman with a CV boasting only success in various minor leagues and our expectations are given a total reset so that Europa League qualification and early cup knock outs are considered a successful season.
He's a smart man, is Daniel Levy
This is why, in spite of any reservations, we should support Ange. The clock has run out for levy in my eyes. If he sacks another manager after so many years/managers/squads/rebuilds then he’s refusing to accept it’s him/his methods/his company that are failing the club.The funny thing is, when Conte was appointed all the Levy supporters told us to shut the fuck up because if he wasn't backed he would call Levy out.
18 months later he calls Levy out for his losing mentality ("20 years there is the owner, they win nothing. Why?) After not being backed........And the same people turn on Conte and back Levy!
Post Poch it’s been a shitshow front to back. Divisive managers who Get fired and replaced by their apprentices.
We all bought into the “winner manager, can’t fail” idea which didn’t materialise. And ended up with trainees filling in at the back end of the seasons.
I’ve seen enough of Ange to have a lot of faith. He had an already thin squad stripped to the bone and whilst I think this constant playing out from the back is madness at times, it’s his way.
In my view, we can’t keep blaming the manager and instead have to focus on the people who employ the manager. If levy has got it wrong again, the straw that breaks the camels back has landed on its hump.
How many wrong choices of manager can we allow? The common denominator has to show itself at some point.
I agree with a lot of your post. Most of it, really. In fact Nuno and Sherwood aside, I've been supportive of every one of our managers until the day they were sacked..
I just loath the low expectations and acceptance of mediocrity that this latest incarnation seems to have installed within the club.
I agree we can't keep blaming the manager. Hell man, I've been banging that drum for years. I just know that if / when Ange gets the bullet, Levy will get a free pass again as he moves on to his next scapegoat.
My point is that the fans should support Ange. Until the wheel fell off v Chelsea we looked fucking class.
There’s no reason to doubt that we can start off in the same way, build momentum & hopefully avoid injuries/ drop in form/ suspensions.
But that’s where we need more depth. If Ange isn’t given that, then he joins a list of managers who failed in spite of their past achievements, however meagre/journeyman you might consider them to be. .
Booing Ange and the players achieves nothing.
Levy sacks Ange and brings in the next guy.
Rinse and repeat.
What he won’t be counting on is 100% support for Ange and the team with all the fury/frustration aimed at him. This is where the ENIC out gang lose traction. Support the man in the hot seat, put pressure on the man on the top seat and not be content with the next “jam tomorrow” manager who has previously won it all with infinite resources.
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I don't recall the Newcastle thing tbh.
Redknapp did act like a dick, no doubt. But you have to wonder if he would have done so if he got Suarez in the January window when we were in a title race rather than Luis Saha and Ryan Nelson.
So much with Conte. You may have a point, but there's also the oddly short contract, the lack of players he wanted, the number of players he didn't, illness, death, etc. If you hire Conte you go all in and we went about 40% in at best IMO.
EXACTLY my point.
It's so obvious that the more support for Ange and the squad, the more pressure there is on Levy and the board to back him with the quality of players he needs. It's basic leverage.
We weren't winning those 30 points tho and we weren't winning them because of Conte, not because of Stellini or Mason after him. It was his project that season and it was MUCH MUCH worse than Ange's first full season.
Then why help the pile on to make Ange the next scapegoat when he had a very promising start to life here until things like the 3rd CB he asked for left him drastically short and stretching his squad into burnout?
I don't think it's fair to blame Conte for Stellini's or Mason's stints as managers.
The fact is we were 4th when Conte left, so that's not worse than Ange's first full season at all.
You seem to be doing all sorts of mental gymnastics to blame our 8th place finish on Conte. The moment he left is the moment he's no longer responsible for results.