It was Contes fault that he needed to make a decision on who to take over.
Levy chose the continuity of maintaining Contes project by keeping Stellini. That was the whole point.
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It was Contes fault that he needed to make a decision on who to take over.
Levy chose the continuity of maintaining Contes project by keeping Stellini. That was the whole point.
One goal vs Chelsea is the same problem? Give it a rest. The Chelsea goal was a player essentially setting a screen on our back defender but the FK was much deeper and a completely different goal. There was no screen set by a Bayern player, there was a breakdown between Spence and Davies who have probably never played together before.
As for Dragusin in the wall, I’m not an expert on set piece defending, do CBs never go in the wall for FKs from shooting angles?
honestly seems like you're getting your excuses in early just in case we continue to be horrendous at defending set pieces.
You trying to differentiate between the type of goals we are conceding from set pieces is a pointless exercise ( unless it's from a direct free kick or penalty).
we were appalling at defending set pieces even without one of the opposition players supposedly fouling Vic. We looked vulnerable and looked like conceding far more the we should. Height wise we were not even a small team yet still looked weak and inept at defending them.
You say we will improve this season and I hope so but if we are still conceding set piece goals regularly nobody is going to say "oh but the corner is different then the ones we conceded last season".
Sigh...Look I'm a fan of the manager but ignoring an obvious issue is just being ignorant really, just covering your eyes and hoping that it goes away is just denying reality.
You should watch this actually, it explains it much better than I can.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pam23yhB7Ns
So then the 8th place finish is down to Levy not Conte, as I keep saying he had us 4th when he left. That's not worse than Ange's first full season.
Stellini at best is a very poor man's Conte and not a first team coach ditto Mason. That's why we ended up 8th. Again not Conte's fault things were no longer under his control when we slipped from 4th to 8th.
Were we statistically bad at defending set pieces? Or did we have an issue with a defending a specific tactic at set pieces? It’s different.
Do we need to concede less? Absolutely.
Does the difference matter to our win or loss column? No.
But it does make a difference to an idea that the coaches aren’t working to improve on that tactic we struggled with at set pieces. And it does impact my patience for it.
I do think these tactics are “welcome to the premier league” moments for Ange though and he does need to learn that this league is unique like that. Mid season an obstruction can be interpreted as a grey area and you need to adapt at the time. It’s just how we do things here.
Of course we were, we had a game in hand over Liverpool and Utd and 2 over Newcastle who all managed to finish above us n the end which shows that it was obviously a false position.
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Kinda helps when you have a handicap over other teams.
I got 4 minutes in and just thought I need to watch the actual clips for myself to go do the analysis.
You can’t point at a zonal marking system and freeze frame it when the players aren’t matched up man for man to say the zonal system isn’t working. If you can play the video and see the whole sequence then that’s different.
You also can’t pick screen shots from open play and set pieces to compare unless you are certain that we use a zonal system from open play. I really really doubt we defend zonally from open play.
You also can’t say “this exact problem happened all last season” then not show an example.
I’d say that 4 minutes I watched was a perfect example of how NOT to analyse sport. I get they are fans but that’s kind of what I’m saying.
Anyway, whatever… we will either be good or bad from set pieces and no matter what happens, every goal we concede from a set piece will somehow magically become the exact same goal we have always conceded and it will be the end of days. I’d better just get used to it and the coaches had better do a good job of working on set pieces.
There was literal examples of it happening last season in the video you nitwit
If you watched maybe more than 4 mins of it then you would have known that.Anyway I can't be arsed to argue this point, every man and his dog will tell you we have blatant issues at set pieces and there's are videos out there showing that this is the case but you seemingly are the only one denying it, anyway I'll let you live in your castle of delusion and deny it...have fun.
did you watch it?
we continuously leave players unmarked and it's scary. For it to happen so consistently where we look outnumbered on the far post is absolutely unforgivable and it's not even like it's a hard fix. It simply looks like everyone else practises defending them and we absolutely don't.
If it still happens this season we can forget the amazing new winger we need, we can forget our new 65m striker and all the amazing new young talent. All of that will be irrelevant and we will absolutely fail in achieving anything of note.
he's 100% getting his excuses in early by now differentiating between types of set pieces we are conceding. He knows full well its an issue but he is so pro Ange he can't bring himself to admit it.There was literal examples of it happening last season in the video you nitwit
Anyway I can't be arsed to argue this point, every man and his dog will tell you we have blatant issues at set pieces and there's are videos out there showing that this is the case but you seemingly are the only one denying it, anyway I'll let you live in your castle of delusion and deny it...have fun.
There was literal examples of it happening last season in the video you nitwit
Anyway I can't be arsed to argue this point, every man and his dog will tell you we have blatant issues at set pieces and there's are videos out there showing that this is the case but you seemingly are the only one denying it, anyway I'll let you live in your castle of delusion and deny it...have fun.
We have issues with set pieces. No denying that.
If those two morons lost me with the banality of their 2 Bob fanalysis after 4 minutes that’s on them. If they did add some shonky screen shot of previous issues later in the video, they were probably equally unrelated to comparing zonal marking at set pieces to open play situations.
There have been decent looks at our set piece issues. That wasn’t one of them.
It's mental, I'm fully in the Ange in camp but I can see there's obvious issues with our set piece defending, to deny it is just being delusional.
Anyway let's hope he fixes it, he fixed it in his 2nd season at Celtic so I'm slightly hanging onto that, my enthusiasm waned with how we defended against Bayern though.
Yeah they were slightly over-exaggerating a little but there's enough there which tells it's own story, we have structural problems and if we can see it then our opponents are definitely seeing it, if I'm an opposition manager I'm telling my team to play for free kicks around our area because you will 100% get chances against us.
Yeah that’s exactly what I’m doing.
I’ve just said to you 2 posts earlier that we have had issues with set pieces and that Ange needs to adapt to life in the premier league. I couldn’t have been much clearer.
That video is painfully shit analysis though. I have seen good analysis on our set piece issues and that wasn’t it. You can’t compare a screen shot from open play with zonal marking from a set piece. Even if the zonal marking vs Bayern was especially shit.
Again, I’m not denying the zonal marking vs Bayern was shit and the ball over Spence head was an issue the whole game
They weren’t over exaggerating, they were doing shit analysis with amateur processes. And presenting the results with scary levels of confidence to all 15 of their subscribers.
Has anyone analysed our defending from corners in pre season so far?
I haven't delved into it but I know the new coach Montgomery is on corner duties now and we hadn't conceded a goal from one (or to my knowledge came close to conceding from one so I didn't know if we were doing anything different)
But is is pre-season. It's about fitness for most clubs.
I haven't delved into it but I know the new coach Montgomery is on corner duties now and we hadn't conceded a goal from one (or to my knowledge came close to conceding from one so I didn't know if we were doing anything different)
But is is pre-season. It's about fitness for most clubs.
What in your view is a professional process then?
I mean we have a pair of eyes and a functioning brain, we can literally all see that there's a continuous problem there, what would your preference be for your analysis on us leaving our back post unmarked?