Yeah I don't even mean like a nailed on starter, just an older head or 2 who could come on in games and more importantly would be around the younger players before during and after big matches.
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Transfers Summer Transfer thread - 2024
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There was a bit of a catch 22 with Poch that I saw coming as well.
His style seems to require young, up coming players that will run and run and run and do exactly what he says without question.
The issue is, after a few seasons they all become fairly well known players that maybe start to question why they need to do double training sessions and run a min of 12k a game etc. So when they get to that stage they probably need to move on. And then you're back to square one with a replacement who is young and inexperienced.
We saw that Kane slowed down the press even in the Poch era, long before Mourinho and Conte.
The irony is of course that we still lack that sort of influence. Romero is quality, but he's not the man to put his arm around the youngsters and guide them. He's too hotheaded for that.
We still need that leadership. Guts and rawness only gets you so far as we saw before.
If they do not find other clubs they will still have to be paid.
Very good point, and I think although him shipping out a lot of the older players laid the foundations for the team to grow, I think his own shortcomings in big games (as well as the players tbf) meant that the players didn't get the winning reward for their efforts which would no doubt lead to questions about why they were working their bollocks off compared to other players at other clubs with nothing to show for it.
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This'll either be the new Zaniolo, or the new Coutinho. There's no in between.
Poch never needed those double sessions either. Even by that time, the research was already pointing to shorter more intense training sessions. Poch was just a student of Bielsa and not really interested in much else.
At the barest minimun and it would help.
I don't see any of that necessary stewardship coming from Maddison, laughing Bissouma, or nappy pants Sarr. And as for Bentancur,, he can't even tell if Wang is Son so how will he even know which Oriental he is talking to as in Wang or Son or Wang!!! Probably praise Wang if Son scored and vice versa.
I really hope I am proven wrong but equally I am sinply quite annoyed.
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Funny thing about that is that Edwards is the one who sold Coutinho so they could rebuild with athletes to play Klopp ball.
Unless Slot really is planning to do a Jose/Conte style with veterans and direct balls to the wide channels all game, it's really hard to match Chiesa with anything normally associated with Edwards squad builds.
You didn't really read what you posted, did you.
He wasn't complaining that we offloaded Skipp and Hojbjerg. His concern is we didn't replace them with better players who immediately improve the team. We replaced with kids who may or may not become better players in the future.
As he rightly said. No other top club would do this. It epitomises why, as a football club, we're not serious about winning.
And much as we maybe disagree on the amounts we should/could spend, it's hard to see it any other way.
No issue at all in moving Skipp/Hjojberg on and getting what looks like real potential but iit can't be that two out and those two in only, or at least I don't think it can.
One solid to good central midfielder is all I'm saying we need for now - nothimg. Even a young Gerrard and Carrick alone would not have been good enough.
Seems utterly self-defeating.
I think this is the difference between coaches and fans. Ange is clearly pretty specific about players and it has to be the right profile for what he wants. Fans see players they like reportedly available in the transfer market like Locatelli and Ugarte then decide we should get them but Ange won’t see it like that and tbh if he’s persuading the club to invest 50m into a player, he probably feels he has to be 100% sure.
My guess is that Ange did like Gallagher and would have moved on a player to make space for him but if that specific player isn’t available, he’s going to roll with Bentancur until he can get one he really wants.
I mourned Poch for years, but him joining Chelsea at the same time that Kane was leaving brought me closure.
Levy should have backed him more in 17-18, Poch should’ve been more compromising in terms of getting quality depth if his first option didn’t work out.
If this was Poch instead of Ange, no way does he approve Vicario (Raya) or Odobert (Nico/Neto) possibly even Van de Ven (Tapsoba). He seemed to operate on “this guy or nothing at all”.
Agree, Ange is type and personality specific. Poch was player specific
We need to get on top of AI with it. The team that does that first will be ahead of the pack. Although I’m one of the people who prefers the eye test. It’s why I’m no Brennan Johnson fan despite his numbers. I can see past those and what he doesn’t offer on the pitch. Nobody should be paying £50 million or whatever it was for a player who doesn’t look up before he crosses 70% of the time.
Chalobah still needs to move too although I’m not sure about him.
Oh, I’m sure every day there’s multiple hucksters contacting the club offering them revolutionary AI-powered recruitment solutions suites. Which mostly amount to Chat GPT scraping Wyscout, Statsbomb and all the other scouting databases.
I can't believe we spent 65 million on Solanke when players like Neto and Chiesa were available...
And I don't know what to say about 50 million on BJ
And I don't know what to say about 50 million on BJ
17, 18, 19, 20…that doesn’t matter. It’s about mentality. United under Fergie had the mentality that they would win every game
That’s a steel IMO. Yes he’s got injury issues but the fee means it’s low risk. We really should have gone in hard for him with our links.