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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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I really wanted it to work for Ange at Spurs, but it's looking more and more like he's an exceptional manager in ordinary leagues and an ordinary manager in exception leagues.

Still hope he proves me wrong, but he's looking out of his depth. If things don't get better and he doesn't get pushed then I think he needs to jump for everyones benefit, not least his own
 
Sir Archibald Crooks said:
Potentially 3 at the back, wing backs play to Porro and Udogies strengths, Son off Solanke, not as a bloody ineffective winger. Might not work but something different. Doing the same thing over and over certainly isnt working.
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I just don’t understand why we wouldn’t try this. We don’t keep clean sheets so an extra defender should help, it gets Porro and Udogie into their favoured positions. That is without mentioning the improvement we would see from Son centrally with another striker.
 
CeltfanDan said:
I really wanted it to work for Ange at Spurs, but it's looking more and more like he's an exceptional manager in ordinary leagues and an ordinary manager in exception leagues.

Still hope he proves me wrong, but he's looking out of his depth. If things don't get better and he doesn't get pushed then I think he needs to jump for everyones benefit, not least his own
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Wow... a Celtic fan who is actually paying attention to what he is seeing not what he wants to happen. I really like the bloke, but I make you spot on. The EPL is brutal right now there's no shame in it just is.
 
Take the tactics away for a second. There are a number of personnel issues right now and he needs to change it starting next weekend. Son,Maddison,Udogie,Johnson,kulusevski,Romero do not currently deserve to be starting. Let's see how many remain in the next league game. He said he was happy with the squad so start fucking using it and drop players that have been performing shit since last season.
 
The more I think about the offensive tactics the less convinced I am that it can ever work with these players. We are trying to do what City do and condense the play into the upper third of the pitch but City have De Bruyne, Bernardo, Foden, Grealish, etc who are all comfortable playing in tight spaces and playing intricate football. They don’t need a huge amount of space to do damage.

Whereas our team has a bunch of very fast but often clumsy wide forwards who need big spaces to do any real damage. Surely we’d be better off dropping 10 yards down the pitch and at least giving our attackers some room to operate. The attackers we have simply aren’t built to hurt opponents when the game is condensed into such a narrow wedge of the pitch. Especially when the midfield and defence take such a long time to get the ball forward.
 
JDM said:
I just don’t understand why we wouldn’t try this. We don’t keep clean sheets so an extra defender should help, it gets Porro and Udogie into their favoured positions. That is without mentioning the improvement we would see from Son centrally with another striker.
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because hes wedded to a system that worked in dog shit leagues. he thinks you can just bombard opposition and they will crumble. we dont create clear cut chances.

this system like any system works if you have the right players. we are not barcelona from over a decade agao, we dont have the players to impose ourselves on the opposition like we are the big dog in the yard, we need more balance. even city dont try and impose themselves as hard as us and they have players far better suited to actually making that work. the guys beyond delusional and hes looking like the fool he is now.
 
StripiestPilot said:
Whereas our team has a bunch of very fast but often clumsy wide forwards who need big spaces to do any real damage. Surely we’d be better off dropping 10 yards down the pitch and at least giving our attackers some room to operate. The attackers we have simply aren’t built to hurt opponents when the game is condensed into such a narrow wedge of the pitch. Especially when the midfield and defence take such a long time to get the ball forward.
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thats what people have been saying for 9 fucking months! hes using son and johnson as possession based wide players when neither of them have the technical ability or brain capacity to play like that. its square pegs in round holes at the highest level.
 
Yiddy said:
Take the tactics away for a second. There are a number of personnel issues right now and he needs to change it starting next weekend. Son,Maddison,Udogie,Johnson,kulusevski,Romero do not currently deserve to be starting. Let's see how many remain in the next league game. He said he was happy with the squad so start fucking using it and drop players that have been performing shit since last season.
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Agreed but have to add Vic to that list. I know he is a good keeper but as a goalkeeper if you are a liability on corners in this league it will cost us points time and time again. Having said that I don't even know who our reserve keeper is these days.... which is worrying
 
StripiestPilot said:
I really think the Ange’s tactics have unnerved a lot of our players. Whenever we have to make a decision on the ball the lads seem to be more worried about the consequences of giving it away (because of the huge spaces behind us) than they are about creating a chance to score. It leads to constant hesitation, dawdling and players passing sideways.

In those first 10 games, when opponents were surprised by us, we played with freedom. Now we seem to play with real fear after losing so many games and being roasted on the break so many times.

I think some small adjustments to our tactics can mitigate that. Do we really need both FBs to push high and invert, leaving our CBs with no passing options? Can we not drop our defensive line back 10 yards and give Son just a bit more space to run into? All managers are stubborn but the best ones also make adjustments when required. It’s clear our players can’t execute the current tactics the way Ange wants.
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Agree. There needs to be a balance that the WAY can still be played with some alternatives. It has now quite obviously come to a point the more Ange wanna grill into them playing only this way, the more they are getting hesitant. The beliefs will not grow back now that we are not scoring. It's even gonna set us back the more we lose instead.
 
JDM said:
I just don’t understand why we wouldn’t try this. We don’t keep clean sheets so an extra defender should help, it gets Porro and Udogie into their favoured positions. That is without mentioning the improvement we would see from Son centrally with another striker.
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also udogie doesnt cross the ball, porro does and is suited to being an actual wide fullback. if udogie could cross the ball id just play to our strengths and stick richy and dom up top get them both in the box and get the fucking ball in there and let them two units scrap for it. we aint got the footballers to play tiki taka and walk it in. we got some decent footballers, but get the fucking ball in the box and get people in there who can actually do some damage.

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---------rom----------drag-----------VDV
porro-------------biss/gray/bent-----------udogie/gray
----------berg/sarr--------------------madders
----------------richy--------dom----------------------------

big dom would drop to help link with the midfield and help get up into the final third as hes good at that. if udogie isnt actually gonna start putting the ball in then have gray and you have some decent football ability up that side as hes a far more well rounded player than udogie, he wont thump balls in with his left but working the ball with madders will create stuff from that side.

we need numbers in the box, this football is shit it goes wide to ineffective wide players then back again, we have one player central whos isolated and occupied by 2 CB's. how the fuck are we going to create decent chances like this?
 
Sir Archibald Crooks said:
Poch started that season not great. 3 pts from 4 games. Then 2 1-0 wins but really clicked with the City 4-1 match. We only lost 1 of our first 15, were good at the back and looked a threat. I dont think any of that applies to the current team. We were gradually improving then

That City match was the 7th league game which will be Utd away this season before the international break. He'll get until then i'm sure but if he wants to go much further then he needs to improve massively. We know Levy, if we're knocking around in 12th or 13th in October then Ange is on the thinnest of ice.
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You don’t think that applies to this current team but you can’t dispute the fact that it started worse and people were calling for a quick fix and junky hit from changing manager back then too.
 
Also, any capable coaching staff would have at least identified some of the shortcomings in the team tactics and set up that we all mentioned. Yet is it so authoritarian under Ange that no one could even speak out and challenge Ange for a meaningful discussion that things could/should be tweaked?

Yes, I'm referring to Mason in particular. Because he's one of our own, he really should be the best person knowing the Tottenham way and the great rivalry against the scum in such games, but how would he allow the squad to consistently failed the same over and over again under so many managers??? His aspirations deserved serious questioning.
 
StripiestPilot said:
The more I think about the offensive tactics the less convinced I am that it can ever work with these players. We are trying to do what City do and condense the play into the upper third of the pitch but City have De Bruyne, Bernardo, Foden, Grealish, etc who are all comfortable playing in tight spaces and playing intricate football. They don’t need a huge amount of space to do damage.
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they have players with tight control like grealish, foden and bernardo who will take them to the byline and players like KDB who will hold off and thump a ball onto haaland if its on, they also have rodri whos the best in the world and making sure the moves tick over and get recycled if moves break down, hell get a new one going.

this guys trying to imitate champagne football with lemonade players. hes beyond thick. being a good manager is about getting optimal performance out of what you got, not trying to play a style of football your players are not suited too. hes got a good enough squad there to offer far better football and results than what weve seen. id rather have about 5-6 posters on here in charge than this wally.

the bottom line is he wants to play this football and his first signing to improve the front line was brennan johnson looool! thats about as far away from grealish/foden/silva/savinho as you can get.
 
Fucking hell you guys are quick to turn on a manager. After the Newcastle game there was a thread where most were in agreement that the performances merited more than what we have got in the first 3 games.

Was today really that bad? Yes we were toothless in attack again and had another lapse in concentration to concede a set piece goal but it was a very tight game. Some people are turning on Solanke too after just two games and having not played for a month.
 
theyearoftheone said:
Fucking hell you guys are quick to turn on a manager. After the Newcastle game there was a thread where most were in agreement that the performances merited more than what we have got in the first 3 games.

Was today really that bad? Yes we were toothless in attack again and had another lapse in concentration to concede a set piece goal but it was a very tight game. Some people are turning on Solanke too after just two games and having not played for a month.
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