El Sackico 2.
Says a lot about the 2 clubs its only 3 years after Nuno/Solskjaer
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Manager Ange Postecoglou
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Says a lot about the 2 clubs its only 3 years after Nuno/Solskjaer
It's Brentford at home so even more pressure to get the 3 points.
United and Brighton away are very very tough. The optimist in me sees 4 points. Beat Brentford at home and draw one of the away games.
I think Ange is definitely in trouble if we don't get a single win in the next 3 PL games. Regardless of what happens in the cups.
Something has to change. But the board won't. So the manager has to compromise somewhat just just get results. But he won't bend. His way or the high way, which whilst admirable isn't getting results and will only get him the sack.
I saw a quote from Simon Jordan for this manager thing he did and it was basically the inevitability in football is that at some point you will have to sack the manger, regardless of previous achievements.
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Still ange in but he has some things to improve on. Needs to be a little more tactically flexible and we need to quickly move on from mediocre players like Johnson.
We are 4 matches in. There’s plenty of competition left. This team is obviously not good enough to win the league but if we can compete for Europe and make some runs in Europa and the cups, there will be some positive signs.
Barring a disaster this year, Firing him during the season is just not productive for the club. You can’t keep firing managers every other season and then expect a new manager to magically cure the mediocrity that this club has had since poch.
The Woolwich supporters were all calling for artetas’s head for 2 8th place finishes. And they were clearly wrong. As much as I hate the cunt, he’s doing a quality job only because he was given time.
Ange has some good qualities and can still turn this around.
We are 4 matches in. There’s plenty of competition left. This team is obviously not good enough to win the league but if we can compete for Europe and make some runs in Europa and the cups, there will be some positive signs.
Barring a disaster this year, Firing him during the season is just not productive for the club. You can’t keep firing managers every other season and then expect a new manager to magically cure the mediocrity that this club has had since poch.
The Woolwich supporters were all calling for artetas’s head for 2 8th place finishes. And they were clearly wrong. As much as I hate the cunt, he’s doing a quality job only because he was given time.
Ange has some good qualities and can still turn this around.
It would represent a huge failing if a club with our revenue, infrastructure, and resources finished outside the top eight.
Who ever is? Managers and players are usually C,D or E bucket types.
Was reading a few Ange threads on Celtic forums and they are now admitting to seeing Ange through rose tinted glasses and that he is one dimensional which saw them get hammered in Europe against better sides. Most saying they wouldn't swap him for Rodgers now.
Saying what we all knew, he has no Plan B. Plan B is to persevere with Plan A.
Saying what we all knew, he has no Plan B. Plan B is to persevere with Plan A.
And Levy has proven that he will not tolerate the slide down the table. That's why he sacked off Jol, Ramos, AVB and Nuno. The pressure from the fans, the hate directed to Levy personally, he will do what he always does and just sacrifice the manager
Hoddle, Poch as well.
We need a coach who actually has proven in a decent league that they can lift a team above where it's perceived to be.
And we need to give that coach the tools he needs. First choice. Wage not a problem. If we're struggling to find money to get over 45% turnover to wage ratio, levy should take a pay cut and sacrifice his (huge) bonus.
I was in favour of bringing Ange in and I found him VERY refreshing after Nuno/Conte-ball.
Where alarm bells started ringing for me was the Chelsea game where we went down to nine men with the suicidal high line. As worrying as the tactics was the bravado afterwards - "it's who we are". And some people bought into this. Found it all quite troubling.
Best players in the league then the system will work as they'll always score 2 or 3, the odd goal conceded doesnt matter. In Europe or the prem when you dont have the best players, when you're up against really good managers you need something else which he seems either incapable of or too stubborn to try.
I read these posts all the time and we are a cynical bunch and when games dont pan out The way we think,its the same old thing
"get the manager out"
"Levy doesnt back his managers"
"we'll never win anything while Enic are in control"
4 points from a possible 12 doesnt make for good reading but it doesnt tell the whole story either.
In all 4 of our games so far we have been the better team by far its just a simple case of not converting our chances at key moments during the games played.
Solanke (i have no doubt will come good) arrived late in the window has had little niggly injuries combine that with the stupidest international programme for many a year which affects all premier league sides and players its hard to find momentum for any side unless your Man City.
some of you whinge about the players brought in but i think Ange (credit Levy aswell) has done amazing at totally overhauling the side. Near enough all the deadwood has gone and any chairman who can get 25 million for a player like Oliver Skipp is alright in my book.
We've signed young players with huge talent maybe none more so than Archie Gray & Wilson Oderbert (can be world class) i think for sure Ange will get the best out of these players in the seasons ahead.
We are definitely building a side capable of competing for premier league superiority in a post Pep era (100% agree with that opinion from sky sports last week) .
Man City, Liverpool ,Woolwich are a step up from anyone else in the premier league at the moment and we are in the mix for next best sides along with Aston Villa, Newcastle, Man Utd and the blue scum down by the river.
We just need to trust that this a project and for me its clear to see that the future looks bright under Ange and to not get carried away with a bad start to this season while the team finds the consistency we all know they are capable of it would just be great if every draw or loss isnt met with such negativity about the manager who in my humble opinion has rejuvenated and revolutionised the way the club is run and how we play the game.
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"get the manager out"
"Levy doesnt back his managers"
"we'll never win anything while Enic are in control"
4 points from a possible 12 doesnt make for good reading but it doesnt tell the whole story either.
In all 4 of our games so far we have been the better team by far its just a simple case of not converting our chances at key moments during the games played.
Solanke (i have no doubt will come good) arrived late in the window has had little niggly injuries combine that with the stupidest international programme for many a year which affects all premier league sides and players its hard to find momentum for any side unless your Man City.
some of you whinge about the players brought in but i think Ange (credit Levy aswell) has done amazing at totally overhauling the side. Near enough all the deadwood has gone and any chairman who can get 25 million for a player like Oliver Skipp is alright in my book.
We've signed young players with huge talent maybe none more so than Archie Gray & Wilson Oderbert (can be world class) i think for sure Ange will get the best out of these players in the seasons ahead.
We are definitely building a side capable of competing for premier league superiority in a post Pep era (100% agree with that opinion from sky sports last week) .
Man City, Liverpool ,Woolwich are a step up from anyone else in the premier league at the moment and we are in the mix for next best sides along with Aston Villa, Newcastle, Man Utd and the blue scum down by the river.
We just need to trust that this a project and for me its clear to see that the future looks bright under Ange and to not get carried away with a bad start to this season while the team finds the consistency we all know they are capable of it would just be great if every draw or loss isnt met with such negativity about the manager who in my humble opinion has rejuvenated and revolutionised the way the club is run and how we play the game.
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That is some real victim stuff right here...
"Oh but they play Mourinho style"
"We deserve more"
"Our performances merit more than 4 points"
"We dominated the game"
What you are saying sounds purely idiotic.
Teams have figured out how to deal with us - "defend deep, overload middle areas. Wait for a counterattack and/or dead-ball situation."
Not just top teams. All teams in the league. It happens over and over again - it is not some "unluck" - it is systematic. It is literally all that needs to be done and this what opposition teams are doing. Very successfully over very long period of time too.
Creating good chances and putting them into the net is something we are responsible for. Lower conversion ratio is absolutely written into our script and approach - WE decide to congest the play into small area. We decide to almost always take many touches before we move the ball on. This takes the room away and makes converting chances harder.
There should be work happening in the training ground, so we would have sharp attacking patterns that actually creates ROOM. Teammates should know what to expect from others - what kind of runs to make; in which positions to be in and so on. But I see absolutely none of that. Our attacking play dies at the moment we regain possession. From there on it is mostly about "not losing possession".
Then they are sh!t managers.
Posters have to stop laying so much of the blame on ENIC/Levy unless they are being critical of their choices of manager.
For reasons that are perplexing, a succession of managers since Pochettino have flattered to deceive.
Big club, more than above average outlay on players - not very much to show for it.
Because I’m saying that is the difference. Their forwards executed that game. Our haven’t bar Everton.
The way we are playing isn’t wrong, we just aren’t scoring goals. If we went 5 atb or whatever and gave up the ball more to play on the counter, they’d need to be EVEN MORE clinical than they aren’t right now.
We haven’t been that clinical since Jose had peak Kane and Son and even then it wasn’t enough.
It is possible to get clinical results from lower quality forwards but you need chemistry and a settled front 3 with a settled rotation in and out of them.and it takes time.
The only good thing is that games come thick and fast now so there will be more reps to build chemistry. If we don’t build chemistry it went matter who the coach is, if you can’t score goals when you dominate the ball, you won’t win games.
There's so many things he could do to try to change things yet he does nothing. Formation change player instructions starting players but he does absolutely fucking nothing. Bring the wide players inside and have the full backs overlap. Have maddison further up instead of dropping off to take the ball off of the back 4 all the time. Play 2 strikers and wing backs. There's more than 1 way to play attacking football. Fucking adapt to what you are facing.
Well, between you and me, I don’t think much of Conte… Postecoglou has his work cut out to avoid me coming to the same conclusion about him.*
* ENIC/Levy still the real problem for me.
We disagree on the last line to an extent, although at this stage, it's seemingly an easy go to for many.