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Management Ange Postecoglou

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Matt1882 said:
Or, flip it on it's head, every one of those players has been in decline since they started playing Angeball.
Maybe the players aren't the problem?
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Nope. All players in the squad are being used in their positions, Ange is playing a system similar used by top clubs like mancity and liverpool.
Those players are fit highly paid athletes but of average standards. None of Son, Wermer, Brennon, Kulu, Maddison or young Wilson are good enough to play for city, woolwich or liverpool.
 
daveyboy88 said:
unreal odds that. worth a oner all day.
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not worth a penny I'm afraid. Short of him having a Conte style outburst in the next week to 10 games some one will definitely go before him.
Just to clarify, that's the next/first manager to be sacked odds. Not at any time this season. I've very little doubt some one will go before him, even if it's vanity from Levy to not be the first.
Murphy said:
I think it might actually be Everton or Southampton, but I get your point.
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They're not much worse tbh, which is scary when you see how shite their teams are.
Hrytn said:
Nope. All players in the squad are being used in their positions, Ange is playing a system similar used by top clubs like mancity and liverpool.
Those players are fit highly paid athletes but of average standards. None of Son, Wermer, Brennon, Kulu, Maddison or young Wilson are good enough to play for city, woolwich or liverpool.
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At the start of last season most fans would have had Son, Kulu, Maddison as 3 of the best performing players in the league.
Romero. VdV. Udogie. Porro. Sarr. Bissouma. All of them were playing their best football.
And since then, all of them, without exception have got worse.

1 or 2 players losing form is normal.
All of them is not.
 
I think the main issue is we aren't BELIEVING in Ange enough, I think if we BELIEVE more then it will change everything. The negative chakras are impacting his ability to think clearly and adapt to other teams tactics, that's on the fans imo.

Remember (and this is the most important thing here) he ALWAYS wins something in his second season, he said it and he believes what he says, therefore it has to be the truth, anybody questioning that clearly isn't understanding the logic behind it all.

The football we have played is revolutionary since he came in and us playing the same way every game is just about making sure the system is drilled in at every single level, we do that for 5 years and then suddenly one day it all clicks and teams won't know how to deal with the same tactics because we will be too powerful for these mere mortals to handle, Ange has greek god powers, like I said, BELIEVE!

Results don't matter at this point either tbh, sure, we have lost a few games and been on a bit of a "bad run" (whatever that means, sounds like people just being negative imo) but we just have to trust the process and back him because I am telling you right now, this man is a hidden gem, the football world was unaware of his generational managerial genius for 50 odd years and now WE are the beneficiaries of this golden goose that's going to be bigger than Pep or any other manager before him.

Anybody who disagrees with this assessment is clearly incapable of seeing the bigger picture and is a complete fairweather idiot as far as I am concerned.

I love you big Ange, I want your babies.
 
Matt1882 said:
not worth a penny I'm afraid. Short of him having a Conte style outburst in the next week to 10 games some one will definitely go before him.
Just to clarify, that's the next/first manager to be sacked odds. Not at any time this season. I've very little doubt some one will go before him, even if it's vanity from Levy to not be the first.
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wouldnt be so sure mate, lose the next 2 and he has to go. dyche might be given time as they have actually shown something even tho losing. everton are in a relegation battle they have time still, we are losing serious ground in a race for europe that will become uncatchable soon.
 
Richard Arlison said:
Not magically is there or isn't.

The opposite. You can't magically make it happen. You need to work on it and practice it. Add different patterns and movement triggers in until the players find something that works and click together. There is always the risk that some of them won't be able to click playing like this as well.

We had 2 maybe 3 counter attacks vs the gooners. Fucked them up as well. This idea that you choose to give up possession and counter attack would work with forwards who can't execute when they have more opportunities to create is probably the least logical one I've read on here.

People want to say there are miracle cure, simple, silver bullet answers. Unless you have the money for truly elite talent, in their prime, quick fixes don't exist from tactics that's for sure.

Where I do agree with everyone is that the front players were passing sideways too much and playing a bit scared. It reminds me of when Jose and Conte used to say that they weren't telling players to drop back and defend. Ange seems to be telling the players to be brave and have the belief to try things other than safe passes but they just aren't getting the habit atm.
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I just literally said that it is NOT option between "the way we play now" and "counter-attacking-football".
At no point have I said we should give away the ball and only play counter-attacks. So the "least logical thing" was cooked up by your brain.

It is perfectly logical that moving ball on faster and more direct will create more room. More room gives more time. More time gives bigger margin of error - meaning your first touch does not have to be so perfect as in fully crowded box. So technically disadvantaged players could deliver better in such situation.

Regarding how to make attacks better, we seem to agree - it is lot of hard work and practice. But I see absolutely 0 improvement in that of late. One attacking player doesn't know what other is doing most of the times. Yesterday if low crosses went in - first defender blocked them. But if Johnson put in cross to backpost - no one was there even. This season we've seen so many times how even half-dangerous crosses just fly from front of the goal without anyone trying to attack them.
 
TheSpurEst said:
I just literally said that it is NOT option between "the way we play now" and "counter-attacking-football".
At no point have I said we should give away the ball and only play counter-attacks. So the "least logical thing" was cooked up by your brain.

It is perfectly logical that moving ball on faster and more direct will create more room. More room gives more time. More time gives bigger margin of error - meaning your first touch does not have to be so perfect as in fully crowded box. So technically disadvantaged players could deliver better in such situation.

Regarding how to make attacks better, we seem to agree - it is lot of hard work and practice. But I see absolutely 0 improvement in that of late. One attacking player doesn't know what other is doing most of the times. Yesterday if low crosses went in - first defender blocked them. But if Johnson put in cross to backpost - no one was there even. This season we've seen so many times how even half-dangerous crosses just fly from front of the goal without anyone trying to attack them.
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Tbh I think we are agreeing with each other here.

I was more saying that even in the way we play, counter attack opportunities were there against the scum. The ball did move forward quickly in those opportunities and our forwards still conspired to create nothing of note from them.

I also agree that aside from patches of 15mins here and there we aren't seeing a real breakthrough in the speed that players and the ball move when we attack and the chemistry of knowing where people should be isn't there. Newcastle is the perfect example... Johnson comes on and sends low crosses in that reach the back post but Odobert has just arrived at the club and isn't there. Then when Werner comes on he's not there either when he should be. We KNOW for fucking sure these things are being worked on in training but it's just not clicking.

I would start Solanke and Odobert vs Coventry just to get some reps and confidence.
 
Richard Arlison said:
Tbh I think we are agreeing with each other here.

I was more saying that even in the way we play, counter attack opportunities were there against the scum. The ball did move forward quickly in those opportunities and our forwards still conspired to create nothing of note from them.

I also agree that aside from patches of 15mins here and there we aren't seeing a real breakthrough in the speed that players and the ball move when we attack and the chemistry of knowing where people should be isn't there. Newcastle is the perfect example... Johnson comes on and sends low crosses in that reach the back post but Odobert has just arrived at the club and isn't there. Then when Werner comes on he's not there either when he should be. We KNOW for fucking sure these things are being worked on in training but it's just not clicking.

I would start Solanke and Odobert vs Coventry just to get some reps and confidence.
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Like I said in my previous post, we just have to wait for things to click mate, it's like Lego, you can't build it all in one day.

When I played football manager I was relegated 3 times in a row but then I put it on easy mode and boom, straight back up to the PL and did the quad, honestly this lot would have had me sacked straight away.
 
Hrytn said:
Nope. All players in the squad are being used in their positions, Ange is playing a system similar used by top clubs like mancity and liverpool.
Those players are fit highly paid athletes but of average standards. None of Son, Wermer, Brennon, Kulu, Maddison or young Wilson are good enough to play for city, woolwich or liverpool.
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I agree that they are out of form and some of them aren't at the level but of I made a combined starting front 3 from us and the goons it would honestly be this:

Son Solanke Saka

No way is Martinelli better than Son or Jesus/Havertz better than Solanke.

Liverpool is harder to work out but probably

Son Jota Salah

Diaz is probably in better form than Son but over a season we know who the better player is. Jota is maybe harsh on Solabke but I can't give us 2/3 against the second best team in the Prem. No matter how positive I am.

City?

Er yeah let's not bother at this point in time.

Our front players are out for form and some of them have limitations but they are limitations magnified by our form. If things click, football can look very different, very quickly/
 
Incomplete_usernam said:
Like I said in my previous post, we just have to wait for things to click mate, it's like Lego, you can't build it all in one day.

When I played football manager I was relegated 3 times in a row but then I put it on easy mode and boom, straight back up to the PL and did the quad, honestly this lot would have had me sacked straight away.
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You were relegated 3 times in football manager but still decide to bless us with your tactical acumen so regularly?

Lucky us.
 
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