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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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Was sacking Ange a good idea?

  • Yes, I think it was a good idea.

    Votes: 73 64.6%
  • No, I think it was a bad idea.

    Votes: 40 35.4%

  • Total voters
    113
We blow more SOLID scoring chances than anyone

There's no evidence for that this season.

After round 5, we've scored 5 goals from 10 "solid" chances (xG 0.2 or above). The combined xG for those 10 shots is 4.2, so we've actually outperformed slightly. And the misses weren't howlers: saves against Romero (3rd minute vs Everton), Johnson (56th minute vs Newcastle), Maddison (8th minute vs Brentford) and Solanke (53rd minute vs Brentford), and a blocked shot from Solanke 32nd minute vs Brentford.

I'd hate to think what this forum would be like if we were Man United: they have scored just 2 goals from 17 "solid" chances (vs a combined xG of 7.0) 🤣🤣🤣🤭🤭🤭.

Leicester lead the way in terms of converting solid chances so far, with 4 goals from 5 solid chances vs combined xG of 1.9.

Where Spurs have been poor so far is converting "half-decent" chances into goals. We've had 15 shots with xG between 0.1 and 0.2 for a combined xG of 2.26, and haven't scored a single one yet.

Swings and roundabouts.
 
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Literally never seen any of this lmao, we get bantered for lack of success, nothing more. As if you actually think there’s a sizeable contingent of oppo fans laughing at us because we hate Levy 😆 what world do you live in!!

All the spurs banter stuff is ‘warra trophy, bottlers’ shite. Anyone who spends 5 mins on Twitter could tell you that.

Another person in the only one thing can be true gang.

Our fans, for example, are continuously mocked for calling for managers to be sacked all the time. Just cos you don't see it, doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

Ultimately, some of our fans are an embarrassment and stalk the internet actively looking for ways to put our own players down.


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Seriously though. How can you expect any one to believe that unless you live in a fucking cave or something.

There ain't a week that passes by without me getting texts and nemes from mates and acquaintances who support our rivals. The banter is all one way, it's relentless and worst of all, ...and its justified.....that's the fucking problem.
I have absolutely nothing to throw back..

Spread sheet values, New hotels, and Green initiative awards don't quite hit the mark, I've found.

Why have you got nothing to say in return? Unless you only know Man City fans then I just don't think you're being creative enough, which I struggle to believe is possible for you based on how many new and interesting ways you come up with on here to complain about the same thing and banter about the team that you support.

My best friends are Woolwich fans, I ripped them for the shit football this weekend.... why didn't you?
 
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What do you mean other than the 6-1 ?

You basically just said, other than the good results, we always get bad results there 🤣


We got a point there last season and probably edged it if either team could have won. It’s never easy there but there’s nothing historical to say much in either teams favour. Going to Stamford Fridge or St James’ I could understand but this one definitely fits the 50/50 type of game.
I mean that was a massive fucking anomaly. A mental game where a player got sent off after a few minutes and the game went mad.
 
I'd disagree on this. I didn't find that Klopp's Liverpool side used negative tactics. They did so well because they were better than everyone else and played excellent attacking football. it's unfair to say that the only way a team can win anything is if they bend the rules and play negative tactics.

Although Mane chipping the ball up to Sissoko's arm leaves a bitter taste :-)
They would have been 2-0 (or more up) well before injury time.
Heck, they went 1 up against us in the CL final and sat back for the remaining 89 minutes.
And won 2-0
 


Let's say his career got off the ground after Aus U20's, shall we?

Panachaiki (yeah, I don't know either) 1 year
The mighty Whittlesea Zebras (FML) 1 year
The world heavyweight Brisbane Roar. 3 years.
Moving further up the ladder of giants in world football - Melbourn Victory (winners by name!) 1 year.
Aus National team - 4 years. Like dog years comparing league teams to national teams.
Moving Japan now, where everything is ahead of the game. Except maybe football. 3 years.
And then finally a European superheavyweight in Celtic. 2 years.

I fail to see from his employment history where this theory he suddenly becomes able to walk on water in his 2nd season, when he hasn't had a 2nd season in 50% of his jobs. In the the other 50% one is a national team job and the other is Celtic who walk to titles most of the time anyway.

He's never been in any of these pub leagues long enough to really get figured out. Now he's in a league where all the worlds best managers want to work, and most have. Tacticians. People who will spot a weakness and exploit it. Competition from lower teams like you simply don't get anywhere else.

He's done nothing in a league anywhere that can suggest he's able to suddenly turn a good one here, in the Premier League. Especially without a top level, deep squad.
 
We also drew there last year and I can remember Poch getting good results there.
The Poch era was probably the best we've ever had at OT.
I started my stat from post Poch for a reason. All bar Son & Davies are gone.
The fact is, you're fighting a ref as well as 11 players at OT most of the time. No matter how well you play, you often come away with nothing.
They're also, IMO, predominantly a defense-counter attack team. The very thing we have problems with.
 
The Poch era was probably the best we've ever had at OT.
I started my stat from post Poch for a reason. All bar Son & Davies are gone.
The fact is, you're fighting a ref as well as 11 players at OT most of the time. No matter how well you play, you often come away with nothing.
They're also, IMO, predominantly a defense-counter attack team. The very thing we have problems with.

It's never an easy place to go, don't get me wrong. We drew there last year though and that was in January so no Son, no Maddison, VDV just back from injury, no Pape who was a starter last season. I think no Bissouma as well.They are a counter attack team but they have also really struggled playing through the press. Brighton and Liverpool both cased them massive issues in the press.

we have had almost identical starts to the season really so it should be an interesting one. No chance are we favourites but it's probably 50/50.
 
There's no evidence for that this season.

After round 5, we've scored 5 goals from 10 "solid" chances (xG 0.2 or above). The combined xG for those 10 shots is 4.2, so we've actually outperformed slightly. And the misses weren't howlers: saves against Romero (3rd minute vs Everton), Johnson (56th minute vs Newcastle), Maddison (8th minute vs Brentford) and Solanke (53rd minute vs Brentford), and a blocked shot from Solanke 32nd minute vs Brentford.

I'd hate to think what this forum would be like if we were Man United: they have scored just 2 goals from 17 "solid" chances (vs a combined xG of 7.0) 🤣🤣🤣🤭🤭🤭.

Leicester lead the way in terms of converting solid chances so far, with 4 goals from 5 solid chances vs combined xG of 1.9.

Where Spurs have been poor so far is converting "half-decent" chances into goals. We've had 15 shots with xG between 0.1 and 0.2 for a combined xG of 2.26, and haven't scored a single one yet.

Swings and roundabouts.
SeeSpotRun SeeSpotRun 's ability to absolutely kill a narrative with straight facts and figures is second to none. A joy to behold.
 
Let's say his career got off the ground after Aus U20's, shall we?

Panachaiki (yeah, I don't know either) 1 year
The mighty Whittlesea Zebras (FML) 1 year
The world heavyweight Brisbane Roar. 3 years.
Moving further up the ladder of giants in world football - Melbourn Victory (winners by name!) 1 year.
Aus National team - 4 years. Like dog years comparing league teams to national teams.
Moving Japan now, where everything is ahead of the game. Except maybe football. 3 years.
And then finally a European superheavyweight in Celtic. 2 years.

I fail to see from his employment history where this theory he suddenly becomes able to walk on water in his 2nd season, when he hasn't had a 2nd season in 50% of his jobs. In the the other 50% one is a national team job and the other is Celtic who walk to titles most of the time anyway.

He's never been in any of these pub leagues long enough to really get figured out. Now he's in a league where all the worlds best managers want to work, and most have. Tacticians. People who will spot a weakness and exploit it. Competition from lower teams like you simply don't get anywhere else.

He's done nothing in a league anywhere that can suggest he's able to suddenly turn a good one here, in the Premier League. Especially without a top level, deep squad.
You're not wrong, but want to say that I feel like a lot of opinions on managers have this reverence for them that is misplaced, like these guys graduated from MIT with a PhD in game theory. If their will was perfectly executed on the pitch by their players, their players would have to be nearly as smart as their manager is to adjust in real-time (because they *cannot* be sure what to oppo will do). But most players aren't; they're simple people following simple instructions. Pep's vigorous gesticulations aren't fundamentally changing tactics, they're reinforcing practiced behaviours and boosting effort. He deserves credit for implementing his patterns in various teams with many different players, but he's always had the best to choose from, game-changers in their own right.

Managers are, for the most part, people managers. Sure, they implement overall play-styles (strategies), 'on the day' tactics, and some variants of both (suited to opposition), but more importantly they polarise the club's efforts and manage mood and belief. Considering the modern manager is more of a CEO role (in that they delegate most of the actual tactics/coaching, development and science to their specialists), what's vital to their stewardship is a strong, steady hand full of conviction and purpose. They aren't Magnus Carlsen or Sun Tzu.

Changing your mind, equivocating, back-tracking... it undermines everyone's sense of direction and makes it impossible to commit when you have doubts circling in your mind.

What Ange has demonstrated in that interview is a measured, articulate and strong sense of self-belief, which is contagious.

Your last point is a good one: the squad is vital. Many managers (e.g. Pep, Jose, Conte) have never dealt with categorically 'bad' squads (until ours) and so their self-conviction is largely complete and beyond doubt, which is self-reinforcing their success. I don't think Pep, or many others, would be the manager he is today if he'd had to rough it in the conference.
 
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