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John Thomas said:
Levy has hired and fired more managers than than any other chairman in the history of the Premier League.......Why do you think they all ultimately fail when they work for him. Despite us being one of the wealthiest clubs on the planet.
Do you not think that maybe the problem is Levy himself?
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This is a far better argument than just 'making money on the shares'. Money has definitely been spent on the squad and the stadium, but the problem is there is not a real consistent strategy, the club just changes Staff and players until they are lucky enough to have a combination that works, it's funny to think that Redknapp was a success when he was basically a punt when things had been going south.

The problem is not concerts or NFL, the problem is that nothing seems to work in terms of getting Tottenham to be a team that wins things.
 
John Thomas said:
Levy has hired and fired more managers than than any other chairman in the history of the Premier League.......Why do you think they all ultimately fail when they work for him. Despite us being one of the wealthiest clubs on the planet.
Do you not think that maybe the problem is Levy himself?
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Levy has his faults but blaming him for defeats to the likes of Palace who do not spend as much as us is not justified. The blame for that defeat is down to the Manager and players. Just blaming Levy every time lets them get off Scott free.
Lange said in a recent interview that Levy does not have a say in which players are bought. Whilst he must have a big say in the appointment of a Manager, I doubt he has any more knowledge of the merits of the candidates than the average poster on here. He takes advice. When all the recent Managers were appointed whilst there was some dissenting posters the majority approved especially the high profile Mourinho and Conte.
Now I am as critical of the lack of a trophy as anyone but this was a league match and the only player missing was Son from the line up. I think a factor in the defeat was playing both Kula and Maddison in midfield as we were overrun but that was Ange’s decision not Levy’s.
Now I am as pissed off with yesterday’s defeat as anyone but just posting the same old posts blaming Levy stops discussion on the real reason. I am still behind Ange but not convinced he is the answer and another sacking could not be far away but that does not necessarily mean it was not right to appoint him.
 
Sumo70's said:
So you think Levy sacking a seasoned winner (Mourinho) the week of a cup final and putting Mason in charge at that point was acceptable decision making? Surely Spurs football success comes before the ego of Daniel Levy.

All your other points are seperate issues, not disagreeing with some of them, but the cup final was sacrificed by Levy. That in itself should have been enough for him to step aside out of incompetency.
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I’ve posted on here before that sacking Jose, especially the timing of it, was the worst thing Levy has done in his time here. However, as spursmalc spursmalc says, I can see the reasoning as the owner of the club, so don’t think it’s enough for him to be removed then or now. If he is the reason for us not making the next step, then get rid asap. I’m just not hearing any solutions as to how that would help. But if we had a viable buyer who had the backing, ambition and intelligence to take us to the top, get them in this morning.
 
Just asked chat gpt (AI):

"From the fan perspective, would you want ENIC to sell the club"

Here is the verdict...

As a Tottenham fan, I might feel that ENIC’s time has run its course and wish for new ownership to take the club to the next level. ENIC has undeniably improved Spurs in many ways, such as building a world-class stadium and training facility and maintaining financial stability, which some clubs struggle with. However, there would likely be a sense of frustration that ENIC's cautious spending and risk-averse approach have held the club back from truly competing with the elite.

Here's how I might feel as a fan:

1. Appreciation for Infrastructure but Frustration with Ambition: ENIC has turned Tottenham into one of the most financially stable clubs in the Premier League with top facilities. But as a fan, I’d feel that these off-pitch achievements haven’t translated into on-pitch success or trophies, and it’s frustrating to see top managers and players leave because of limited ambition in the transfer market.


2. Desire for a Trophy-Focused Vision: Fans want silverware. ENIC’s careful spending may have made sense financially, but without taking calculated risks on star players or backing managers fully, it feels like the club is stuck in a cycle of "almost" moments. I'd probably crave an owner willing to go the extra mile to bring in top talent and take those risks to break the trophy drought.


3. Concerns Over Fan Connection: Sometimes, ENIC seems more focused on commercial success than the fans' voices and passion. As a fan, I’d want owners who see Spurs not just as a business but as a community and legacy, one that deserves to be taken seriously on the global stage.


4. Worry About the Future: The Premier League is becoming more competitive, with Newcastle’s rise, the stability of Manchester City, and other clubs pushing harder each season. Without a clear shift in ambition and investment, I’d worry that Spurs might fall further behind. New ownership could bring that fresh start and vision needed to keep the club competitive.

While ENIC has achieved much, many fans would likely feel that it’s time for owners who prioritize trophies over financial returns. I'd be hopeful that new ownership could bring in the right balance of ambition and investment to see the club genuinely compete for top honors.
 
Kane you believe it said:
Just asked chat gpt (AI):

"From the fan perspective, would you want ENIC to sell the club"

Here is the verdict...

As a Tottenham fan, I might feel that ENIC’s time has run its course and wish for new ownership to take the club to the next level. ENIC has undeniably improved Spurs in many ways, such as building a world-class stadium and training facility and maintaining financial stability, which some clubs struggle with. However, there would likely be a sense of frustration that ENIC's cautious spending and risk-averse approach have held the club back from truly competing with the elite.

Here's how I might feel as a fan:

1. Appreciation for Infrastructure but Frustration with Ambition: ENIC has turned Tottenham into one of the most financially stable clubs in the Premier League with top facilities. But as a fan, I’d feel that these off-pitch achievements haven’t translated into on-pitch success or trophies, and it’s frustrating to see top managers and players leave because of limited ambition in the transfer market.


2. Desire for a Trophy-Focused Vision: Fans want silverware. ENIC’s careful spending may have made sense financially, but without taking calculated risks on star players or backing managers fully, it feels like the club is stuck in a cycle of "almost" moments. I'd probably crave an owner willing to go the extra mile to bring in top talent and take those risks to break the trophy drought.


3. Concerns Over Fan Connection: Sometimes, ENIC seems more focused on commercial success than the fans' voices and passion. As a fan, I’d want owners who see Spurs not just as a business but as a community and legacy, one that deserves to be taken seriously on the global stage.


4. Worry About the Future: The Premier League is becoming more competitive, with Newcastle’s rise, the stability of Manchester City, and other clubs pushing harder each season. Without a clear shift in ambition and investment, I’d worry that Spurs might fall further behind. New ownership could bring that fresh start and vision needed to keep the club competitive.

While ENIC has achieved much, many fans would likely feel that it’s time for owners who prioritize trophies over financial returns. I'd be hopeful that new ownership could bring in the right balance of ambition and investment to see the club genuinely compete for top honors.
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Ouch, one of the best and most insightful posts in the whole thread and it’s AI. Maybe we set up pro and anti Levy bots and just lets them at it.

Honest John Honest John v3.5 bot vs Shadydan Shadydan v3.5 bot
 
harry7 said:
We've scored the 3rd most goals in the EPL this season. More than Liverpool, Woolwich. Only City and Chelsea have scored more than us.

Only City, Forest and Liverpool have conceded less goals than us.


So, our defense is good. Our attack is good......But our results are bad. This dismal Palace performance aside, we are not too far off hitting our stride. Players need to step up and take action.
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It makes no sense...
Then again, we could go an entire season UNBEATEN (INVINCIBLES) by DRAWING every game, and STILL go down on 38 points...
So results aren't EVERYTHING!


Sumo70's said:
So you think Levy sacking a seasoned winner (Mourinho) the week of a cup final and putting Mason in charge at that point was acceptable decision making? Surely Spurs football success comes before the ego of Daniel Levy.

All your other points are seperate issues, not disagreeing with some of them, but the cup final was sacrificed by Levy. That in itself should have been enough for him to step aside out of incompetency.
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That will always rankle with, and puzzle me...
. sane as Poch playing Vorm instead of Lloris in the FA Cup Semi Final a few seasons before...
Were we TRYING to lose the game, to appease the number crunchers...?
Cos I just don't see how jeopardising potential success will EVER help the BUSINESS!
 
Kane you believe it said:
Just asked chat gpt (AI):

"From the fan perspective, would you want ENIC to sell the club"

Here is the verdict...

As a Tottenham fan, I might feel that ENIC’s time has run its course and wish for new ownership to take the club to the next level. ENIC has undeniably improved Spurs in many ways, such as building a world-class stadium and training facility and maintaining financial stability, which some clubs struggle with. However, there would likely be a sense of frustration that ENIC's cautious spending and risk-averse approach have held the club back from truly competing with the elite.

Here's how I might feel as a fan:

1. Appreciation for Infrastructure but Frustration with Ambition: ENIC has turned Tottenham into one of the most financially stable clubs in the Premier League with top facilities. But as a fan, I’d feel that these off-pitch achievements haven’t translated into on-pitch success or trophies, and it’s frustrating to see top managers and players leave because of limited ambition in the transfer market.


2. Desire for a Trophy-Focused Vision: Fans want silverware. ENIC’s careful spending may have made sense financially, but without taking calculated risks on star players or backing managers fully, it feels like the club is stuck in a cycle of "almost" moments. I'd probably crave an owner willing to go the extra mile to bring in top talent and take those risks to break the trophy drought.


3. Concerns Over Fan Connection: Sometimes, ENIC seems more focused on commercial success than the fans' voices and passion. As a fan, I’d want owners who see Spurs not just as a business but as a community and legacy, one that deserves to be taken seriously on the global stage.


4. Worry About the Future: The Premier League is becoming more competitive, with Newcastle’s rise, the stability of Manchester City, and other clubs pushing harder each season. Without a clear shift in ambition and investment, I’d worry that Spurs might fall further behind. New ownership could bring that fresh start and vision needed to keep the club competitive.

While ENIC has achieved much, many fans would likely feel that it’s time for owners who prioritize trophies over financial returns. I'd be hopeful that new ownership could bring in the right balance of ambition and investment to see the club genuinely compete for top honors.
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A.I ending absolutely everyone on the forum. I like that post, and respect it.
 
Fair play to Danny Boy

Villa , Newcastle more competitive , United on the way back if they make a decent hire , City . Liverpool , Woolwich and Chelsea looking strong . Thank goodness he has positioned us where footballing success is not necessary . Imagine needing to be successful with all that competition, PHEW lucky escape
 
harry7 said:
We've scored the 3rd most goals in the EPL this season. More than Liverpool, Woolwich. Only City and Chelsea have scored more than us.

Only City, Forest and Liverpool have conceded less goals than us.


So, our defense is good. Our attack is good......But our results are bad. This dismal Palace performance aside, we are not too far off hitting our stride. Players need to step up and take action.
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Problem is consistency. One game we look great the next game we look lost.
We scored 4 against Everton and West ham to boost the goal numbers... but the games we lost.. we looked terrible.
 
I thinks it’s mentality , if you have an owner that often takes his eye off the main reason he/she is there to look at other opportunities , that breeds into the psyche of the whole club . There is a staleness at the club & ambition seems to be an afterthought and then you read about profits made while the team continues to not deliver & that frustrates people who are paying top end prices for a mid product

Truth is , there is very little belief in this club , there’s a lot of hope but after time Hope dwindles
 
harry7 said:
We've scored the 3rd most goals in the EPL this season. More than Liverpool, Woolwich. Only City and Chelsea have scored more than us.

Only City, Forest and Liverpool have conceded less goals than us.


So, our defense is good. Our attack is good......But our results are bad. This dismal Palace performance aside, we are not too far off hitting our stride. Players need to step up and take action.
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The average league position of teams we've played is 12th.
We've played 4 teams from 12th up this season we have lost 3 of them. And those 3 defeats, bar first 45 minutes at Brighton, were all comfortable for the opposition.

We are in a false position, yes. But it's probably higher than it should be based on the opposition we've (generally) been bowling over.
 
harry7 said:
We've scored the 3rd most goals in the EPL this season. More than Liverpool, Woolwich. Only City and Chelsea have scored more than us.

Only City, Forest and Liverpool have conceded less goals than us.


So, our defense is good. Our attack is good......But our results are bad. This dismal Palace performance aside, we are not too far off hitting our stride. Players need to step up and take action.
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This needs to be nominated for post of the month
 
Furball man said:
I thinks it’s mentality , if you have an owner that often takes his eye off the main reason he/she is there to look at other opportunities , that breeds into the psyche of the whole club . There is a staleness at the club & ambition seems to be an afterthought and then you read about profits made while the team continues to not deliver & that frustrates people who are paying top end prices for a mid product

Truth is , there is very little belief in this club , there’s a lot of hope but after time Hope dwindles
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Couple of things here:

If Levy has taken his eye off the main reason, isn’t that because he’s taken on Lange and Munn? And didn’t almost everyone on here not want Levy involved in the football side? Thought that’d be a positive?

What profits? Didn’t we lose £87m last year?

Not sure I’d class us as style, but there’s certainly something holding us back from taking the next step. Just don’t know what it is, but willing to roll the dice on replacing anything associated with the club to get us sparking.

You mention paying top end prices as a source of frustration. I think this is the crux of the matter, certainly on here. It’s the most often used stick to batter the owners with anyway. But weirdly not something I hear much of when I’m at the ground itself. Would fans be happier if we reduced ticket prices by a tenner and still served up the same inconsistent performances?
 
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