I think if Romero and VDV can put their main focus on defending, and take pride in clean sheets then we will become the real deal. I still feel like Romero gets bored back there and steps out of position far too often just to get involved in the game. VDV has unreal pace, which gives them license to take more chances than they need too but I'd much rather if they took less chances and both prioritised clean sheets. Two terrific defenders who have the potential to be world class, but they just need to be switched on all game. They are heads and shoulders above Dragusin and Davies in terms of ability, but the difference is mindset. Dragusin and Davies know their limits so are fully switched on all game and take little risks - more defensively minded!
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Good points and I think a fair way to think about it particularly because the way points are calculated greatly favours wins (3 points) over draws (just 1 point) and over losses (no penalty points).
Another way to think about it is like this. Looking at the table below, after the first 10 games of the season only Liverpool, City and Tottenham have a goal difference strong enough to have potentially won every single of those 10 games. And if Tottenham maintains that level it will probably get into the top 4 because one would certainly hope for other things (errors, referee mistakes, how the goals scored and conceded are spread out across the games, etc.) to even themselves out enough across all teams.
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Agree, there have been a few notable tweaks which have led to a slightly more solid, cohesive team.
Ange is winning me over. Or, rather, back to where it started as I was broadly in favour of the appointment and the first half of last season was really good. The errors from the tail end of last season seem to be being ironed out.
Ange is doing fine.
Being judged by people who would struggle to coach an under 16s team.
In fact I wouldn’t trust 80% of the people on here to put on a decent training session for 12 year olds.
Put out the cones maybe.
Look at the current Tottenham form. 3 games won and 2 games lost out of the last five. Such form is, actually, not strong enough to secure the top 4 finish. It is pretty close, but not strong enough.
To get into the top 4 a team usually must obtain 71 points. I think that has historically been the case in the Premier League. And in total there are 38 games. That means that a return of 10 points from every 5 games would work to nicely secure the top 4 finish. A return of 9 points, as you see in the current table, would not be sufficient. It would get close but it would be tricky and very uncertain.
A return of 10 points from every five games would get Tottenham to a total of 70 points with last 3 games of the season to go. That would be a very nice position. A secure Champions League qualification.
A return of 9 points from every five games would get Tottenham to a total of 63 points with last 3 games of the season to go. That would not be a nice position but the top 4 finish would still be doable.
3 wins out of 5 (at minimum) is the sort of form one wants to see when looking at the table. As is the case right now. Or 2 wins and 3 draws.
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And if you look back at the Premier League table you can see that it is Nottingham Forest and Bournemouth that are currently exhibiting a Top-4 level form (apart from Tottenham - as explained above, Liverpool and City).
No although that was a terrible day out too.
That team in the Europa league where we thought we would go big time Charlie and hire out wembley due to the demand.
Gent.
At the time of playing them (and losing) this was our form at Wembley.
“They have won just one of their last eight matches in all competitions at the stadium.”
We have been psychologically abused by this club!!
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Look at the current Tottenham form. 3 games won and 2 games lost out of the last five. Such form is, actually, not strong enough to secure the top 4 finish. It is pretty close, but not strong enough.
To get into the top 4 a team usually must obtain 71 points. I think that has historically been the case in the Premier League. And in total there are 38 games. That means that a return of 10 points from every 5 games would work to nicely secure the top 4 finish. A return of 9 points, as you see in the current table, would not be sufficient. It would get close but it would be tricky and very uncertain.
A return of 10 points from every five games would get Tottenham to a total of 70 points with last 3 games of the season to go. That would be a very nice position. A secure Champions League qualification.
A return of 9 points from every five games would get Tottenham to a total of 63 points with last 3 games of the season to go. That would not be a nice position but the top 4 finish would still be doable.
3 wins out of 5 (at minimum) is the sort of form one wants to see when looking at the table. As is the case right now. Or 2 wins and 3 draws.
Was that not when we were in the CL then got knocked out at the group stage and had to play the remainder of Europa games there anyway?No although that was a terrible day out too.
That team in the Europa league where we thought we would go big time Charlie and hire out wembley due to the demand.
Gent.
At the time of playing them (and losing) this was our form at Wembley.
“They have won just one of their last eight matches in all competitions at the stadium.”
We have been psychologically abused by this club!!
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The reason we did it was the same as Arse did it. The CL have silly rules about height of advertising boards that would have taken out a few rows of seats. That and the fact we were getting on with knocking out the NE corner would have left too few seats.
Look at the current Tottenham form. 3 games won and 2 games lost out of the last five. Such form is, actually, not strong enough to secure the top 4 finish. It is pretty close, but not strong enough.
To get into the top 4 a team usually must obtain 71 points. I think that has historically been the case in the Premier League. And in total there are 38 games. That means that a return of 10 points from every 5 games would work to nicely secure the top 4 finish. A return of 9 points, as you see in the current table, would not be sufficient. It would get close but it would be tricky and very uncertain.
A return of 10 points from every five games would get Tottenham to a total of 70 points with last 3 games of the season to go. That would be a very nice position. A secure Champions League qualification.
A return of 9 points from every five games would get Tottenham to a total of 63 points with last 3 games of the season to go. That would not be a nice position but the top 4 finish would still be doable.
3 wins out of 5 (at minimum) is the sort of form one wants to see when looking at the table. As is the case right now. Or 2 wins and 3 draws.
This season by the looks of things will probably be an anomalie, might even been a record low points for 4th and 5th because everyone looks to be taking points off each other, wouldn't surprise me to see about 6 teams battling for 2 places.
So we can't use those stats to judge us after 10 games but you were using the league table as a stick to beat us with earlier?
Not sure about it being an anomaly. I would disagree with that prediction. But the 71 point mark is a conservative mark meaning that 68 or 66 might be enough but 71 points almost always secures the Champions League qualification. And Spurs want to qualify for the Champions League almost always.
In my opinion, Spurs should aim for the 71 point mark and should aim for the return of 10 points from every 5 games. It is very important to increase one's expectations when thinking about things like that because higher expectations push the team to strive for better.
It is actually a good thing for Ange to right now think that his team is doing well but not doing well enough. And it is good for everyone around here to also be thinking that.
Hmm who is this describing...
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In the first 5 games Spurs won only 7 points. That's not good enough.
In the second 5 games Spurs won 9 points. That's pretty good but still not good enough.
With 9 points from the first 5 games Spurs would be in the top 4. They would be fourth on goal difference, one point behind Nottingham Forest and equal on points with Chelsea, Woolwich and Aston Villa.
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Nice words fella.
I never once got excited with Jose (even when we won), I just looked at the game and thought we were shit, lucky or both (rewatch our 1-6 vs Utd or 2-5 vs Southampton as examples), to my eyes he was never going to deliver us anything, we didn't have control of the games we played, in the case above vs Southampton we just had better players in Son and Kane, but Southampton were the better team, caused us more problems that we were struggling to deal with, a hoof over their highline to Son & Kane was all it took.
I believe for us to be a very good team (good enough to challenge for a title, which is also enough to get to more Cup Finals from which you have a 50/50 chance to win) you need to play a progressive brand of football. I can see this under Ange now, I can see the path we are on. What he's done is way ahead of where I thought we would be at this stage of his tenure, we've gone from our lowest league position in 15yrs with one of the oldest squads in the league, playing the shittest football I've seen us play for 20yrs, to an improved 5th place, more than green shoots of a progressive attacking brand of football played with what is now the 2nd youngest squad in the league. I think the narrative of "we are inconsistent" is bullshit, I think bar one game (not including EL/LC) we've been a model of consistency in terms of performance. Our results have been inconsistent and I think is has been largely down to our young age.
We will learn this season whether we can keep up this level of performance, still an unknown and I like the response to the one non-performance game (Palace). But we are much improved from last season, which is all you can ask for.
IMO there is no point putting any faith into any manager delivering a pot, or "being the one". Put your faith into the football played, if like me you have started to enjoy how we play again (first time in over half a decade) and see this get better and better then this is worth feeling positive about.
And given the most recent form I think it is essential that Spurs win over Ipswich in their next game. And to break the pattern of losing after wins. But do notice that even if Spurs win they will still remain on just 9 points out of their last 5 games.
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Wonderful story , bro
Never actually said I believe or have faith he is the one. I kind of made the point you did, I said he deserves it having met him because of the sincerity and genuine kindness he exhibited to some of our charges that day. It still QED for me on the football as I tend to be more of a pragmatist than romantic about football, in that progressive football is the foundation, but you should never be too proud to adjust for a given oponent, which we've seen signs of. This growth is encouraging.