On the other hand if you gave the conductor of the LSO the same orchestra week in week out and got an amazing blockbuster performance one week from the entire ensemble, then the following week you'd see a better display at the local pantomime guest featuring Barry from Eastenders, you'd start to question if the Oboe player really did forget how to play overnight or whether the problem lies beyond the orchestra with its conductor, or even dare I say it their financier?
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Match Tottenham Hotspur VS Ipswich. Sunday the 10th of November @2pm.
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You blaming Ange or Levy?
Your opinion of your own correctness is based on the folks on MOTD confirming your beliefs?
What could go wrong?
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Hi there Tractor Boy.
We're all clearly McKenna fans (or at least the ones who know he was one of our own). And we know what he's achieved. TF he's with you and not some club like the Spammers.
2-3 years? It would be a big gamble for us. He'd have to get to Europe to be in with a chance with so many good mamagers in Europe.
In the meantime best of luck for the season. He did a nimber on our grizzled old expert who has won a ton of stuff in pub leagues. In terms of footie I also like what Russell Martin is trying to achieve (thought his Saints were a better team than your guys last season. Plan A is the only way type of manager).
Just remembered. I was at the previous ITFC win at WHL. 2001. I think Holland mugged off the ref and got one of ours sent off. Cunt!!
You don't even understand what you are being told so it's hard not to be condescending. THE MANAGER TACTICS ARE ENCOURAGING THE INDIVIDUAL ERRORS. The mistakes are baked into to ALL football matches but the way Spurs setup and approach games under this coach makes those mistakes far more likely to result in the opposition scoring, he said it himself, never mind the brains trust on Match of the fucking day! Ange Postecoglou is not particularly bothered by conceding goals. This ethos has been brought into buy his players in the EPL it won't work. Conceding two goals a game makes you a mid table team in Scotland your a champion. But by all means keep ignoring the obvious. Match of the day LMFAO
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Feeling better Ipswich . Glad Dr Tottenham could have been of service.
Do these people actually ever give their cash to that fraud Levy and watch the complete basketball game Ange has set up? Because from in the stands you fully behold how unsustainable it is.You opinion of your own correctness is based on the folks on MOTD confirming your beliefs?
What could go wrong?
Pathetic
ok, whatever. I give up. you win, big man. Werner and BJ are good enough. Stop spending, Levy! Lange, you're the best! Don't try harder!
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I hope you're right. I remember everyone saying that Mourinho and Contes low block encouraged individual errors from our defenders - and so we needed better defenders. I'd hoped we'd got them but I'm now not so sure.
I hope you're right. I remember everyone saying that Mourinho and Contes low block encouraged individual errors from our defenders - and so we needed better defenders. I'd hoped we'd got them but I'm now not so sure.
Managers are meant to manage ; Bill Nic , Shanks , Clough , Stein , Busby et al did that . SAF was the last of them .
Ancelloti once described himself as
“ a massage therapist “ .
It’s all about the players now (obvs) but there’s not much managers can do about it anymore. Trust me , they’d end up in court .
The irony is that the modern players are paid ( by us , the fans ) thousands / tens of thousands times more than the likes of Greaves , Best or Beckenbauer but behave like spoilt children if anyone has the temerity to shout at them .
We’re ultimately to blame; for paying for their privileged lifestyles . Their money and their agents and lawyers do the rest .
It’s where we are , I’m afraid .
It's on both the manager and the players.
I agree it wasn't tactical, the team put out was more than good enough to win that game easily. And yes, they didn't have the will and desire but the manager also has to instill a winning mentality, it's part of his job as well.
He has to remind them that they still have to be up for it and fight for the win even if it's Ipswich at home.
This is also mostly a different set of players from Conte so I can't agree that it's the same players letting down another manager.
Which players would those be continuously throwing managers under the bus? Literally only Son and Davies are still here from the end of Poch's era, fuck me the only Mourinho signing still on the books is Reguilon because no one seemingly wants him anywhere north of £0. Martin Jol didn't inherit an amazing squad, neither did Poch, Redknapp had a pretty good one that had no fucking clue how to play together yet. All of them definitely had worse squads than Ange currently has, but not one of them would have handed even a point to Ipswich at home today in their 2nd season. What's the excuse for being totally outclassed midweek by a team orders of magnitude poorer than us to "rest key players" only to then go and hand Ipswich their first PL win since fucking 2002? And to do that so soon after we let Palace break their 9 game duck on us?
I really want Ange to succeed because it intrinsically means success for the club, but you have to get to a point where losing to 2 clubs who haven't won a single fucking game yet, AND one of those games being at home? AVB and Nuno got absolutely vilified by fans for results that weren't as poor. We've dropped 8 points to Leicester, Palace and Ipswich, we haven't played a single member of last seasons top 6 away yet... this can and probably is going to get worse down the line. I can't really stomach blaming the players when he's had 3 windows of ins and outs now and the poor results have consistently become harder and harder to live down. It's hard to read the same rhetoric about shit referees, other teams playing defensively/dirtily, being a super young squad etc, getting trotted out every time we get turned over by a team we should (or at the very least, could) beat very comfortably if we fucking bothered to turn up.
disagree.
it's all tactics and structure.
This CraZy Angeball makes plenty of 'broken play'
case in point - the full backs are up in the penalty box of the opposition teams regularly. Their instinct is not committed to defend/defence. Hence you can see how many goals we leaked from pushing far up and then conceding from counters.
Case in point/.
Yesterday's "closest" defender for that tractor bicycle kick is BJ.
case in point. we beat one team 4-1 and lose 2-1 to cellar dwellers at home.
It's all over the place for us.
Any quality Top Team has a solid defence.
case in point - Liverfool.
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I've seen this claimed over and over and it's... simply not true. Porro is goalside of Smodics - he and Brennan chose to look at each other rather than challenge for the ball.
Why are so many people claiming something that is utter horseshit? Bad streams?
I was watching it in the south. I can assure you that Porro was right there.
porro could do more yes but hes going away from it originally so momentum taking him the other way. hes probably seen johnson and thought subconsciously 'theres no need me to go into it hes right there'. then watched johnson pull away because hes scared of getting some physical contact from a professional sportsmen...johnson is to blame! cause: COWARDICE!
That probably made a whole pile of sense to you. Throw in a kangaroo, R2D2 and Elvis and all will become clear
As a young kid, my Uncle took me to my first Spurs game. Spurs (i think) we beat United 5-2 (*65 i think) with Greaves slicing through them like a hot knife through butter. That United side were chock full of talent by the way.
Then came Burkinshaw with Ossie and Ricky, Hoddle, Allen, Roberts, Perryman, Galvin, Micky, Crooks, Archibald and company (sorry for those worthy players I missed out).
Pleat
Redknapp
Venables
Hoddle
Jol
Poch
The above were scattered in-between, with a lot dross to be fair.
I (we of a certain age) have seen Ange and his ilk before, many times. Mouth and trousers, arrogant (Jose & Conte like) and all have crashed and burned, many not under Levy's Chairmanship we should remember.
I want to see the young talent we have Udogie, Micky Drag, Bergvall, Gray, Moore, Odobert, Johnson Lankshear and the like progress under a manager with a plan for the future.
Ange hasn't got this.
Flame me all you want, but do we see progress at Bournemouth, Villa, and Brighton?
Do we see a pattern of play at those clubs, or a defenseless, unscripted, incoherent mess of a system, tactics and game plan?
We have the parts, and talent we are lacking a leader with vision and a plan.
Ange has neither.
Are there any PL teams till awaiting a first win we can gift?