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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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StripiestPilot said:
What he got wrong is that he failed to get the players ready for battle. They clearly thought the game would be easy but there are no easy games. The only way to win is to work hard.

Look at the effort we put in against City last week then look at the effort today. That sums it up. We sweat blood to beat City so we didn't we sweat blood against Ipswich? Whatever Ange did to prepare for this game the players clearly got the message that the game would be easy. They seemed to be completely surprised that Delap was a good player.
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Didn't get us ready for Palace. Or Gala. Or Ipswich. Bet you he's just one of them managers that tells the lads they're wonderful and keep playing your game whatever happens. Course they love him. Guy's won the lottery with the Spurs job and he just wants to be popular with the players. When the shit hits the fan, it's somebody else's fault, despite his well-crafted PR bullshit in pressers.

But...this club broke Jose and Conte...sacked the former days before a cup final. BMJ at half time. Harry never got the required backing. Poch left without a new signing for 18 months. Nuno's treatment was despicable.
 
Don Pedro said:
Nuno and Ramos were the only managers I ever turned on. Apart from that I've always backed the managers. Even though it got nasty under Villas Boas, Mourinho and Conte, I still hoped they would turn it around right until the end. Martin Jol was probably my favourite manager and we were very fickle under him too. Redknapp and Poch had the best teams and I enjoyed them season the most.

Ironically, Juande Ramos was the only manager I ever saw win something with us and even that was a very forgetful season. We won a cup but finished 11th in the league on 46 points. He then had us on 2 points after 8 games the following season, and for a while we were favourites for relegation before Harry took over and completely transformed us. So the only manager that ever won something for Spurs in my lifetime, was a manager who I wanted gone and he was sacked within 12 months

Its been a tough ride. I see something in Ange though, its more like the Jol/Redknapp teams. We are back playing exciting football but we just can't build any momentum. I hope he can turn it around because the alternative is just a vicious never ending cycle of misery.
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This highlights the argument about cups vs league perfectly.
We won a cup but the outcome of that win was that the next season we lost both Keane and Berbatov.
People who think it's ok for us to finish 14th now should be very worried about how much that would put off players from joining us and make others want to leave us.
Kane stayed as long as he did because we were in the CL every year and got to numerous finals.
If we were mid table dross he'd have gone a lot sooner, like all the others before him did.
 
Jaynola said:
Didn't get us ready for Palace. Or Gala. Or Ipswich. Bet you he's just one of them managers that tells the lads they're wonderful and keep playing your game whatever happens. Course they love him. Guy's won the lottery with the Spurs job and he just wants to be popular with the players. When the shit hits the fan, it's somebody else's fault, despite his well-crafted PR bullshit in pressers.

But...this club broke Jose and Conte...sacked the former days before a cup final. BMJ at half time. Harry never got the required backing. Poch left without a new signing for 18 months. Nuno's treatment was despicable.
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IMO, he doesn't do tactics, or work on individual players roles or coach them to improve them. All the things a coach should do.
I reckon he has a philosophy and that's about it. A formation. A plan to do X with the ball and Y without it, but that's it.
 
Spudulike said:
Not Tottenham fans. were you in Istanbul last Thursday night?

I was, at huge fucking expense supporting the club I love. Don't give it the large one about not being Tottenham fans mate.
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Friggin fair play to you, pal. Way to put that mug back in his box.

I've lost count but probably got between 200-300 live games under my belt, spent tens of thousands of pounds on merch etc over the years (not anymore mind you). So when I and others like me get called fake Spurs fans or gooners just because we dare call a spade a spade or voice our opinions (you know, that little thing called freedom of speech), that makes me friggin laugh. Especially as more often than not it's coming from dudes who've never even set foot in North London, let alone WHL...and who buy their Spurs merch from some dodgy counterfeit sites in China.
 
Matt1882 said:
This highlights the argument about cups vs league perfectly.
We won a cup but the outcome of that win was that the next season we lost both Keane and Berbatov.
People who think it's ok for us to finish 14th now should be very worried about how much that would put off players from joining us and make others want to leave us.
Kane stayed as long as he did because we were in the CL every year and got to numerous finals.
If we were mid table dross he'd have gone a lot sooner, like all the others before him did.
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I agree with you on this. Ultimately the league position is the most accurate measure of where you are as a team. If we are in midtable at christmas then he will be under pressure
 
Don Pedro said:
Nuno and Ramos were the only managers I ever turned on. Apart from that I've always backed the managers. Even though it got nasty under Villas Boas, Mourinho and Conte, I still hoped they would turn it around right until the end. Martin Jol was probably my favourite manager and we were very fickle under him too. Redknapp and Poch had the best teams and I enjoyed them season the most.

Ironically, Juande Ramos was the only manager I ever saw win something with us and even that was a very forgetful season. We won a cup but finished 11th in the league on 46 points. He then had us on 2 points after 8 games the following season, and for a while we were favourites for relegation before Harry took over and completely transformed us. So the only manager that ever won something for Spurs in my lifetime, was a manager who I wanted gone and he was sacked within 12 months

Its been a tough ride. I see something in Ange though, its more like the Jol/Redknapp teams. We are back playing exciting football but we just can't build any momentum. I hope he can turn it around because the alternative is just a vicious never ending cycle of misery.
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What I see in Ange, specifically, I can't say fills me with much confidence. I can't think of any other successful manager who just largely stood on the touchline for the whole match. Arterta like animation is NOT required, but at least spend a decent portion of it in the dugout, communicating with your coaching staff, analysing the performance in play. And then yday it was noticeable in the player break (and obviously it will happen in other games) that Mckenna was utilising it to get messages across to his team, but of course Ange? "I'm just standing here mate, I don't need to say anything, they know what I want...."
He doesn't take training sessions, he doesn't form any relationships with the players.

Is this combination really the blueprint for success at this level? We've played some encouraging stuff in the recent period but we're not converting it into any consistency - arguably we're becoming less consistent as time goes on - and we've got harder games to come.
 
Don Pedro said:
Its the most frustrating season I can remember. But, the reason its so frustrating is because we know how good we can be and we really should be at least 3rd in the league right now. Just feels like a massive opportunity missed.

I do believe we are going in the right direction but my god the journey is bumpy. Very hard to stay calm and keep the emotions in check.
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Pal, I appreciate your vibe, fair play to you.

But watch our wins again and you'll see that they weren't as extraordinary as you think, despite the 3-0 and 4-1s. United are a gigantic mess and were down to 10 for what 70 mins. West Ham and Villa were on top of us before self-imploding. Everton are Everton.

Our wins could've been draws or worse some way likelier than our defeats could've been wins.

Ange can claim all the bad luck he wants, he's had Lady Luck on his side more often than not.
 
Deuterz said:
God you lot with his annoying face in those fucking profile pictures.
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In a fucking Celtic top. They can't even perceive themselves. It's levels of cringe and weird. I'm watching the Vow season two and it's like that weird personality cult metality of yhe followers. I've met Ange I like him way better than nearly all but one other Spurs coach ( on a human level) but I support the team. I want the man to win the lot but I haven't lost my critical faculties.
 
Hampshire Spur said:
Richard keys earlier saying earlier we might never win a trophy. Were not coventry richard like you support. Shave your hairy hands as well.
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I could see us doing what West Ham, Newcastle, Villa, Everton etc have done though and go generations without a cup.
West Ham was 40+ years. Everton was 95. Villa not much more recently.
I could see us doing that unless the mentality at the club fully changes. If you want to build a young squad, do it with a young coach with a future.
If you want to win now, get win now coaches AND win now players.
 
Plus Power said:
Ah, but you see, those kind of players cost money! Best I can do is a handful of young prospects every summer and hope they become good enough to sell off to clubs that actually want to succeed lead us to another glorious League Cup!

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They don't have to cost money. But they will usually want big wages and that's what Levy hates the most.
He'll spend £60m on a £75k a week player.
But he hates the idea of a £10m players on £250k a week who will almost certainly improve us and the players around them for a year or 2.

You can probably count on one hand how often he's got an older, proven player, on higher wages with a low fee.
Davids, Peresic, anyone else?
 
Matt1882 said:
They don't have to cost money. But they will usually want big wages and that's what Levy hates the most.
He'll spend £60m on a £75k a week player.
But he hates the idea of a £10m players on £250k a week who will almost certainly improve us and the players around them for a year or 2.

You can probably count on one hand how often he's got an older, proven player, on higher wages with a low fee.
Davids, Peresic, anyone else?
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Sometimes he throws a curve ball , proven PL pony player on high wages

Timo

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daveyboy88 said:
i said before, he doesnt win the league with any side in this league and teams worse than us he gets relegated. hes shockingly bad, its actually mental how hes fucking manager of spurs.

his system is utter turd. even if you want to play a front 3 that consists of son and johnson, you need to counter their lack of ball retention by having 2 sitting midfielders that will protect and screen the defence when they inevitably do lose it. this clown has one sitting, and on top of that wants to employ possession based tactics with wingers that are counter attacking players loool. soak it all up because this is the dumbest shit youll ever see from a football a manager in your life. then youve got the defence all at sea when we lose the ball because he wants the fucking FB's to be major components in attack LOOOL.

its going to be a bright day when this moron gets fucked off.

subs arent important
set pieces arent important

the list goes on. biggest fucking clown in football. it has to be a windup!
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I enjoyed reading this 10482938th version of the same post you've made over the last few months :ange-bored:
 
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