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What success did we get from those 3 'princes'? Top 4 finishes and a cup final? As soon as it got rough we sacked them?

Rinse and repeat.

I hate to bring up Woolwich, but they stuck by Paella Pulis when he lost 9 in 10 (something like that) and our now reaping the rewards of that because they have an identity, they are competing and signing/holding onto top players. We don't have that patience as a fanbase, and until we do we'll be back in this situation in 18 months time.
Depends on your definition of success.
Being in the champions league, getting to a CL final, bringing in the bucks, signing better players etc matters more in the 21st century than winning a milk cup occasionally.
 
He’s on LSD.
I need some of this high quality acid.

VDV v Fazio???

And
Solanke must have cost more than all of those players combined and has just scored 20 odd premier league goals in one season. At a lower table club.
A proven PL striker in his prime. Or a kid from Portugal and one from Milton Keynes!

It’s a crazy world we live in.

Yeah, Fazio cost 8 million. Everyone else cost under 5.
 
I'm actually not sure on that.

MUFC kept ETH on after one great FA Cup final performance (where they lucked out too). I don't know anyone who thought that was the right decision at the time.

Although knowing Levy's great sense of timing he'd fire Ange in the week BEFORE the final. Maybe give the team inscribed Swatch watches too.
There's every chance Levy would sack him for it, yeah. And ingratiate himself even further with us lot.

God, can you imagine Mason in charge of another final...
 
Have you seen enough to suggest that will happen. I personally haven't and don't think that'll be the case. If however that did happen it'd be impossible to sack him as I've barely seen us lift anything so to lift 2 trophies in 1 season would be a remarkable feat.
United, Woolwich, Liverpool, Newcastle and Palace all left in the league cup.
United are the only one we have beaten recently.
And they sacked their manager and immediately improved. If we get past them, it's highly likely we end up with Woolwich or Liverpool in the semi and then the other in the final IMO.
I have seen nothing to suggest we can do United, Woolwich and Liverpool unless they don't take it seriously and/or play the match with 9 men.
 
I wonder, as late as it is, has Ange learned something?. In post match interview vs Ipswich, he said that it was his fault for the inconsistency.

Is that to protect the players and to protect him from losing the dressing room or is it an admission that something needs to change by himself. I hope he has the balls to say to Levy, "Look, I need to adapt, but I need good coaches and more high calibre players".

A slight change of approach from Ange, change of coaches and a couple of quality players in January would give us a great chance of a trophy and proper crack at top 4.
 
I'm actually not sure on that.

MUFC kept ETH on after one great FA Cup final performance (where they lucked out too). I don't know anyone who thought that was the right decision at the time.

Although knowing Levy's great sense of timing he'd fire Ange in the week BEFORE the final. Maybe give the team inscribed Swatch watches too.

As much as that sacking of Jose was nuts, I do always wonder if he had a clause in there that extended his contract if he won a cup.
Would you have been happy if he beat City in the final then got another year or 2 added to his contract?
Then again, I think it was more likely to deflect from the Super League shit show than anything else.
 
Yeah, Fazio cost 8 million. Everyone else cost under 5.
Yes and Alli cost £5m and was incredible for 3 years.

Fee comparisons are pretty irrelevant. A much much lesser player in Brennan Johnson cost £50m. Richarlison was £60m. Give me Dembele and Lloris for £10m or whatever, anyday.

The increased revenue and transfer spend is just being passed around clubs. It's barely improving our on pitch chances at all.
 
Fuck me! You could concede ten goals in a whole season and put a highlights reel on and they’ll look similar. Go and look at every goal conceded by every team. It’s the same. Players not picked up. That’s football. Most goals come from wide areas at every level of football. The biggest issue is we don’t stop crosses coming in and we don’t have that desire and pride to not concede goals.

Add ball watching and that’s us!
 
If Levy was Levy's boss, he'd have sacked him ages ago.

It ain't just a lack of focus and ruthlessness, my friend. We'd be laughing if it was just that. You can't be more out of your depth as a chairman than that muppet, it's impossible.

How anyone can still defend him is pure madness. Obviously I'm not including his paid stooges in that.
Yes, Levy has lost the club hundreds of millions in poor recruitment and retention. He's made it a fair bit on the Stadium tbf.
 
Yes and Alli cost £5m and was incredible for 3 years.

Fee comparisons are pretty irrelevant. A much much lesser player in Brennan Johnson cost £50m. Richarlison was £60m. Give me Dembele and Lloris for £10m or whatever, anyday.

The increased revenue and transfer spend is just being passed around clubs. It's barely improving our on pitch chances at all.
True. Though Kane aside, we haven't had that many players who have made the club a lot of money over the past 5 years or so have we? Sold plenty at a huge loss. I guess Moore right now would be worth a bit. Other than Moore I can't think of a single player in the current squad who I would say is worth significantly more than we paid for him.
 
So far, 11 of our 13 EPL goals conceded have been when we've had defenders back in our defensive box, and only 2 related to high-line / counter-attack. So that speaks more to poor defending / individual errors rather than a system issue. Two of the 11 were set-piece goals and 9 open play.

We've conceded one goal for every 16.3 touches in the penalty box, which is 5th worst in the league. One goal for every 91 touches that the opposition has in our defensive third, which is 6th worst in the league. Since they're not breakaway goals, it's again indicative of poor box defending / individual errors.

Interestingly the four teams with worse box defending stats include highly-rated City (one goal per 15.5 touches in their box) and Villa (13.1), as well as Ipswich (15.4) and Wolves (14.1).

Anyway, whether it's system issues, "shit defenders", or concentration lapses, it's still up to the manager to fix it. It's his system, his team selection, and his pep talks.
I don't know how pep talks would help someone with one defensive braincell in his skull??!!

And if some players don't do what their coaches tell them to do? What would you do, fire the manager?
 
Fuck me! You could concede ten goals in a whole season and put a highlights reel on and they’ll look similar. Go and look at every goal conceded by every team. It’s the same. Players not picked up. That’s football. Most goals come from wide areas at every level of football. The biggest issue is we don’t stop crosses coming in and we don’t have that desire and pride to not concede goals.
= The players are not good enough!
 
Yes and Alli cost £5m and was incredible for 3 years.

Fee comparisons are pretty irrelevant. A much much lesser player in Brennan Johnson cost £50m. Richarlison was £60m. Give me Dembele and Lloris for £10m or whatever, anyday.

The increased revenue and transfer spend is just being passed around clubs. It's barely improving our on pitch chances at all.

That wasnt the point being made though.

Dier wasn't bought with any calibre attached - Alli was sought after but also not even close to having the buzz around him or expectation that Archie Gray has.

Im just saying that 10 years ago we were not buying players of higher calibre than we are now, even if you adjust for the increase in transfer values.
 
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