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Management Should Ange stay or go ?

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Should Ange stay or go ?

  • Fire him now

    Votes: 40 17.4%

  • Keep him for the whole season then review his position

    Votes: 110 47.8%

  • Keep him until we are out of contention for Europe and the cups

    Votes: 25 10.9%

  • Keep him unless we slip into the bottom 8

    Votes: 5 2.2%

  • Give him several seasons to get things right

    Votes: 20 8.7%

  • Give him until the end of December then review his position

    Votes: 30 13.0%
  • Total voters
    230
The Mercurial No.10 said:
Fuck me with the 3 points from 3rd spiel, we've 1 away win against United when they were down to 10 men in the first half with their manager on his last legs and 1 decent home result against Villa, who are the only team we've beaten who are ahead of us.

Look at the fucking teams we've played and the teams we've yet to play in the league...and we've still Roma, Rangers and a quarter final to likely bottle.
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You would expect Amorim to go weaker in terms of players for the Carabao tie.

He needs to get to know his squad and most foreign managers just don’t “get” our cups. Expect their B team.

I’d expect his remit is get close to the Top 4 and qualify in the Europa League.

I think winning the carabao cup doesn’t even cover a weekly wage bill.
 
WillWilliams said:
You would expect Amorim to go weaker in terms of players for the Carabao tie.

He needs to get to know his squad and most foreign managers just don’t “get” our cups. Expect their B team.

I’d expect his remit is get close to the Top 4 and qualify in the Europa League.

I think winning the carabao cup doesn’t even cover a weekly wage bill.
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Err, we're only in the quarters because we played City's B team...

...and new manager bounce is a thing, look at Ange's first 10 games.
 
meaningless-friendly said:
I would absolutely take that. But can you see this Ange team beating a good side over two legs, delivering when the pressure is on? I can't.
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I'm starting to think the players have lost interest in Ange's system. That they can turn up and turn it on vs City but not Gala or Ipswich to me says they are more interested in turning up for big games in which they might be scouted by a rich club.

Given that being the case I could see our players turning up for both legs of an important cup tie. I can't really see however Ange's tactics doing especially well against good opposition that are committed and know how to exploit Ange's system. The Galatasaray game was a great example of what will happen when we start facing good teams in the EL- we're gonna cough up 20-30 shots a game easy.
 
bk_spur said:
Depending on the next 3 games, we could be well out of the race for 5th place even. If Ange is on track to finish worse than 5th, Levy really needs to think what is the point of keeping this guy around any longer.

We've got plenty of young talent- need a manager that is actually gonna develop players and utilize a pragmatic plan to overachieve on our points per game.
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I don't necessarily disagree with what you're saying. Don't think there's a long term benefit in staying with Ange long term, his tactics are too limited which gets further amplified by only half committing to players that his system needs.

However, I just can't see us luring managers away from clubs mid season. Both Iraola and Hurzeler are at well run clubs, and have their sides performing above the sum of their parts, with relatively low expectations. They're still early on in their managerial career and I can't see them trading that stability for our basket case. I guess that leaves Potter, but would he want to come here after the whole Chelsea debacle?

Not that my confidence greatly increases come summer, but it does buy them some more time.
 
CerealMaterial said:
I don't necessarily disagree with what you're saying. Don't think there's a long term benefit in staying with Ange long term, his tactics are too limited which gets further amplified by only half committing to players that his system needs.

However, I just can't see us luring managers away from clubs mid season. Both Iraola and Hurzeler are at well run clubs, and have their sides performing above the sum of their parts, with relatively low expectations. They're still early on in their managerial career and I can't see them trading that stability for our basket case. I guess that leaves Potter, but would he want to come here after the whole Chelsea debacle?

Not that my confidence greatly increases come summer, but it does buy them some more time.
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Fair points- I do worry that we would be able to find anyone quality available.

I do worry though that if we keep Ange until the summer, we'll have a number of players disinterested and looking to leave. A change of trajectory and purposes between now and then could do a lot of help maintain interest of the squad.
 
meaningless-friendly said:
I would absolutely take that. But can you see this Ange team beating a good side over two legs, delivering when the pressure is on? I can't.
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Based on us finishing in the Top 8 we have got until March.
That’s plenty of time to keep developing as a team.

It’s going to be partly luck of the draw. These aren’t the top European teams. I think we can hold our own.

Not if we put out the B team though. Decisions need to be made to put this cup before the league.
 
bk_spur said:
He definitely had a couple nice months with us. Too bad the season is composed of 10-11 consecutive months, and not just individual months.
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You have no idea what you're talking about mate. The amount of pork pie companies we've got in the background gagging to become our shirt sponsor is unbelievable. Seriously, sit down, take a pew and have a sniff of the quality of pastry we're bringing in here before you jump to conclusions!
 
At the end of last season all the talk was about Ange’s system and getting caught out with the ball over the top. We are not conceding like that now and the goals conceded are when we have players back and they do not do their job of defending. So no longer the system to blame for conceding. Ange has solved the original problem and now needs to remedy the new problem.
As some have pointed out he does not do all the coaching himself and perhaps other members of his coaching team need replacing.
I know I am sick and tired of keep changing the Manager and normally the time for that is when he has lost the dressing room. This clearly had not happened only 10 days ago when we beat Villa. We will lose to MC away and this should not provoke more anguish but then we have 2 home matches v Roma and Fulham which are very winnable.
The Poll is that Ange should not be sacked now and so instead of the minority that want that going on with the argument accept it and let’s be more positive.
I am not even going into the Levy thread until it dies down.
 
Give him to the end of the season. This team is not in a tragic state, we’re just hilariously inconsistent. There is something there though, we’re just our own worst enemies. I do still prefer watching Ange-ball than Conte-Mourinho BS
 
HyNdZee said:
Because it is not true until it happens and we don't have the balls to hire Diego Simeone, Julian Nagelsmann, Zinedine Zidane, or even Ledley King.

Even with our inconsistency, we're three points off third and still in every competition. That doesn't automatically change for the better if Potter takes charge in my opinion.
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Even with our easy start, we're so inconsistent, we're already 3 points off third.
See, you can say the same thing in a different way and it means something entirely different.
When we go on a bad run now, because our next 6 games are against the likes of Pep, Silva, Iraola, Mariska and Slott etc, we'll be much nearer the bottom than the top.

If you were driving a car steadily towards a brick wall, would you wait until you hit it before braking? Of course not. You'd change direction or stop as soon as you know what's coming.

And IS getting sacked. Letting the whole season go beforehand is dumb.
 
The Mercurial No.10 said:
He's nowhere near the calibre of Mourinho or Conte, even Nuno has more credibility as a fucking manager/coach.

He'd a yes man at arguably the biggest club he's been at (money and competition-wise before any delusional Celtic fans weigh in).

Mow he's getting narky in interviews and arguing with the fanbase with a degree of regularity for being called out on his utter mediocrity.

I'm sick of his beardy Aussie face and the football is not all that great to watch to excuse the shite results.
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I get it, you don't like him. But the comparison to Nuno is fucking laughable.. Anything to suit your agenda though, hey.
 
Look forward to seeing all these 'fans' desperate to see Ange out being back here in 18 months time, blaming the new manager for a lack of consistency and blaming them for being either being too defensive or too attacking.

Always the managers fault isn't it, changing them every 18 months is definitely the way forward.
 
All those that love him should all be mentally preparing for the inevitable at this stage.

I've never been so sure that a run of fixtures is going to be so troubling as I am now.

I didn't think he'd make it past the last international break, but then he had a run of fixtures most managers would get erect over.

Literally the only tricky games we've had since Woolwich beat us are Brighton (L), Galatasary (L) and Villa (W)
Every other game we should have won and won comfortably. Even United. But we managed to also lose to bottom feeders Palace and Ipswich.

We shouldn't be "only" 3 points off 3rd with those fixtures. We should be 3rd or even higher.

The fact we have failed to capitalise on a run of fixtures most people just after is DAMMING for the coach. We are better than Palace. We are better than Ipswich. We had the game in the bag against Brighton and then got absolutely schooled.

If you aren't fully prepared for what is about to happen now those fixtures are shifting towards top half teams and those with very tactically astute coaches, then you really are naive.
 
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