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Levy In or Levy Out

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It is not all about money. Most clubs have got young players that have come through the Academy. We have had Kane, Rose, Winks and Skipp (probably forgot some but they did not cement a start place) and maybe Moore in the near future. We cannot add anyone to our Europe squad and cannot even find a space for Spence and badly need some home grown players. This is a serious problem and there is no easy fix.
The Academy can be said to have been a failure as it has not produced enough players although Mourinho & Conte’s refusal to play anyone from there is part of the problem. It is a difficult decision as to whether to send Academy players out on loan and thus they get disqualified from being classed as home grown or keeping them and stunting their growth as they do not get senior games as per the GK’s.
 
MemphisWill said:
Yes. Which is why the club is run as it is - sustainably with rarely any additional investment.
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Well, no, Lewis is plenty rich enough to sink his own money into investing in the club's competitive standing, as the many other less wealthy PL owners to at a much greater level.

Other ownership groups have more capital to draw on to give them greater margin for error, but it is flatly untrue and misleading to claim Lewis and Levy aren't rich enough to operate the club differently than they have.

MemphisWill said:
But like I've said all day - I don't expect Levy will ever sell. He'll put together a group to buyout Lewis which sees him maintain majority control.
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That Joe Lewis personally would ever take Spurs away from Daniel Levy just defies everything we know about the situation. This is Levy's life's work, and Lewis trusts Levy completely with his management of the asset. I do think the club wants outside investment, but not a majority stake, not in the immediate term, literally largely because Levy wouldn't have anything to do all day.

The question is what happens when Lewis dies. If the heirs want to sell up, Levy may very well try to helm an effort to buy out the estate, but he would need a lot of money and support from elsewhere and to win a battle against much richer interests.

(The other question is if Levy would ever want to retire, but working until the absolute moment of a death as late as modern science can provide is as much a part of the ideology as raising ticket prices)
 
MemphisWill said:
Yes. Which is why the club is run as it is - sustainably with rarely any additional investment.

Would love for us to find better owners with more funds to spare and massive competitive spirit.

But like I've said all day - I don't expect Levy will ever sell. He'll put together a group to buyout Lewis which sees him maintain majority control.
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If spending money is the answer why haven't Scouse been trying to get Henry out?


Tottenham have spent £949m on transfers since 2016-17 with a net spend of £518m, according to FootballTransfer.com data.

In comparison Premier League leaders Liverpool's total spend in the same period is £858m with a net spend of £308m.
 
ThePreacher said:
If spending money is the answer why haven't Scouse been trying to get Henry out?


Tottenham have spent £949m on transfers since 2016-17 with a net spend of £518m, according to FootballTransfer.com data.

In comparison Premier League leaders Liverpool's total spend in the same period is £858m with a net spend of £308m.
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Every time they struggle their supporters are saying the same things about them we say about ENIC. Until it clicked and they won the league their supporters were organizing protests and wanted Klopp sacked.

I've said numerous times our biggest problem has been how shit our scouting has been in large chunks. We've blown a shit load if money on donkies, which makes the board more cautious in spending.
 
ThePreacher said:
If spending money is the answer why haven't Scouse been trying to get Henry out?


Tottenham have spent £949m on transfers since 2016-17 with a net spend of £518m, according to FootballTransfer.com data.

In comparison Premier League leaders Liverpool's total spend in the same period is £858m with a net spend of £308m.
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Because when it comes to transfers:

FSG are cheap and smart

Whereas Levy is cheap and stupid

In addition FSG is willing to spend more in wages than Levy. Liverpool spent 63% of turnover on wages - Levy spent 46% (before this summer’s reduction in the wage bill). So 17% less at our 550M quid revenue equals about 93M less quid in spending EVERY SINGLE YEAR. I’ll say it again DEAD LAST in the league in wage to turnover ratio. DEAD LAST!


View: https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/1bdznxz/the_swiss_ramble_premier_league_clubs/?utm_source=embedv2&utm_medium=post_embed&utm_content=post_body

Add it both together and the Scouse win silverware - which makes their fans happy and be OK with Henry - whereas we never win anything and sit 11th in the league - which makes our fans sad and angry.

Next question please.

One last thing Henry just owns the club, he doesn’t run it. He leaves operating the club to football professionals so Henry does NOT pay himself a ludicrous wage from the club’s coffers.

Our vaunted Chairman’s wage: 125K per week - Our starting No 9 (Solanke)’s wage 90K per week. Pretty says it all about the state of our club under Levy.

Tottenham news: Daniel Levy's eye-watering salary towers over Man Utd and Liverpool chiefs | Football | Sport | Express.co.uk

Tottenham chairman Daniel Levy is the best-paid club chief in the Premier League.
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ThePreacher said:
If spending money is the answer why haven't Scouse been trying to get Henry out?


Tottenham have spent £949m on transfers since 2016-17 with a net spend of £518m, according to FootballTransfer.com data.

In comparison Premier League leaders Liverpool's total spend in the same period is £858m with a net spend of £308m.
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Whats the number of players bought of the two clubs during that period ?

I’d hazard a guess that Liverpool have bought less players & ours is more scattergun , it probably helped them that they also had one manager with a plan

Then there’s the wages . Posting sums of money doesn’t always tell the whole story . Most people know our spending is erratic & seemingly without much of a plan
 
FightingIllini said:
Well, no, Lewis is plenty rich enough to sink his own money into investing in the club's competitive standing, as the many other less wealthy PL owners to at a much greater level.

Other ownership groups have more capital to draw on to give them greater margin for error, but it is flatly untrue and misleading to claim Lewis and Levy aren't rich enough to operate the club differently than they have.


That Joe Lewis personally would ever take Spurs away from Daniel Levy just defies everything we know about the situation. This is Levy's life's work, and Lewis trusts Levy completely with his management of the asset. I do think the club wants outside investment, but not a majority stake, not in the immediate term, literally largely because Levy wouldn't have anything to do all day.

The question is what happens when Lewis dies. If the heirs want to sell up, Levy may very well try to helm an effort to buy out the estate, but he would need a lot of money and support from elsewhere and to win a battle against much richer interests.

(The other question is if Levy would ever want to retire, but working until the absolute moment of a death as late as modern science can provide is as much a part of the ideology as raising ticket prices)
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a decent finance director could easily create a pot of £500M to spend in Jan from our current finances (without owner investment)…..capitalise the spending and we would still be the most profitable club in the league
 
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Furball man said:
Whats the number of players bought of the two clubs during that period ?

I’d hazard a guess that Liverpool have bought less players & ours is more scattergun , it probably helped them that they also had one manager with a plan

Then there’s the wages . Posting sums of money doesn’t always tell the whole story . Most people know our spending is erratic & seemingly without much of a plan
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the fees quoted are stretched out and based on success criteria that never materialises

It’s nonsense
 
Pack it up, pack it in, let me begin,
Tottenham's been struggling, can't seem to win,
Under Levy's reign, it's been a long drought,
Fans are getting restless, they wanna shout.

Jump around, jump around,
Jump up, jump up, and get down,
Levy's gotta go, it's time to resign,
Spurs need a change, it's way past time.

ENIC's in control, but the trophies are gone,
Year after year, the same old song,
We need a new leader, someone who can bring,
Glory to the Lane, make the fans sing.

Jump around, jump around,
Jump up, jump up, and get down,
Levy's gotta go, it's time to resign,
Spurs need a change, it's way past time.

We've got the talent, we've got the heart,
But without a change, we'll never start,
Winning the silver, lifting the cup,
It's time for Levy to give it up.

Jump around, jump around,
Jump up, jump up, and get down,
Levy's gotta go, it's time to resign,
Spurs need a change, it's way past time.

:dude:
 
Furball man said:
Whats the number of players bought of the two clubs during that period ?

I’d hazard a guess that Liverpool have bought less players & ours is more scattergun , it probably helped them that they also had one manager with a plan

Then there’s the wages . Posting sums of money doesn’t always tell the whole story . Most people know our spending is erratic & seemingly without much of a plan
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This is a key issue for us under Levy.

For as risk averse as he is. He has been incredibly scattergun and flip floppy in how we recruit players and how we set up to recruit. And it can shift from year to year even.

One year we give the manager power, the next we bring in a DOF. One year we rely on data, the next on agent connections, so on and so fort.

If we had a consistent recruitment strategy we probably would have had at least decently better results for the money spent.
 
ThePreacher said:
If spending money is the answer why haven't Scouse been trying to get Henry out?


Tottenham have spent £949m on transfers since 2016-17 with a net spend of £518m, according to FootballTransfer.com data.

In comparison Premier League leaders Liverpool's total spend in the same period is £858m with a net spend of £308m.
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Wages are what attracts the most promising younger players, now do those stats. Levy's knows he can recoup transfers budgets, but he thinks wages are just throwing money away. Hows that's working?
 
ShutUpPatrik said:
This is a key issue for us under Levy.

For as risk averse as he is. He has been incredibly scattergun and flip floppy in how we recruit players and how we set up to recruit. And it can shift from year to year even.

One year we give the manager power, the next we bring in a DOF. One year we rely on data, the next on agent connections, so on and so fort.

If we had a consistent recruitment strategy we probably would have had at least decently better results for the money spent.
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I think it highlights were the footballing side of TH Ltd lies in priorities . There are occasions when they panic and are forced into some kind of action which generally falls flat on its face

It’s slapdash but very costly , some sort of true strategy would help
 
Furball man said:
I think it highlights were the footballing side of TH Ltd lies in priorities . There are occasions when they panic and are forced into some kind of action which generally falls flat on its face

It’s slapdash but very costly , some sort of true strategy would help
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We at least do seem committed to the sporting director approach for the last few years given that we first brought in Paratici and now Lange. The interesting thing will be who remains standing once Paratici's ban is over.
 
The one thing this club knows how to do is destroy players' legacy. No matter how good they are for us, or what they achieve, the toxicity will eventually engulf them as well. Toby/Jan, Dembele, Eriksen, Lloris, Kane -- none even got a proper farewell, and fans turned on them.
 
The way our fans on here turned on Harry Kane was absolutely disgusting.
Thankfully it wasn't replicated in the stadium. I remember seeing Daniel Levy squirming in his seat when the fans bellowed his song out when he returned to the team under Nuno.
 
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