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Management Ange: In/Out?
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There is a system; it's just one where there's massive gaps left wide in the middle and defensive 3rds and where the CBs have to cover 2 (inc. FB) and sometimes 3 positions (when they're asked to stride into the middle 3rd and oppo half.)... In turn resulting in further defensive overloads and gaps.
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A lot of LFC clearances turned into Hoddle type through balls
It's something that oppo routinely hone in on.... Liverpool just had more quality to execute (deep left to right wing) than most; seeing that TAA is the perfect player in the perfect position to do that.
Eriksen was operating from the same playbook too; but Bruno F wasn't the ideal guy to have on the receiving end of those balls.
Similarly it also plays into the hands of any team who are typically comfortable bypassing the whole midfield (eg Brentford, Palace etc.).... Which is partly why we struggle against teams at the bottom end of the table too.
Managerial ego would suggest he’s think he’d be the guy to find the formula for success.
So would ££££££££.
Is Scott Munn still here? Ange was his choice
I don’t see any pressing system.
Ange has not coached a coordinated and effective press.
I guess the assumption is that we're so far up the pitch that "seek and destroy" as soon as anybody loses the ball is a sufficient enough 'system'.
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It was effective at the start of the season and at times last season. Vs Newcastle for example we absolutely murdered them on the press this season, kept them penned in for huge periods. We then fucked up at either end but that's a different story.
As the season has gone on the press has become more and more ill disciplined and half hearted.
I’m not sure Scott Munn does anything
We don't have the squad to sustain the press that's for sure
The excuses about not having a full squad is hogwash. we had a full strength team & still LOST to Palace
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Yeah I'll be fair to Ange on this one - the injuries and the fatigue are clearly playing a part in the press becoming half heartened and fractured.
I don't think they ever fancied it or believed in themselves vs Liverpool. We were at home but started like we were a league one side playing Madrid away. The only time we even got ourselves in to the game was when Liverpool decided the match was over as a contest.
Scott Munn is an entirely fictional character made up so we can pretend Levy is no longer involved in football operations.
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The excuses about not having a full squad is hogwash. we had a full strength team & still LOST to Palace
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23Porro P.
17Romero C.(C)
37van de Ven M.
13Udogie D.
21Kulusevski D.
8Bissouma Y.
10Maddison J.
22Johnson B.
19Solanke D.
47Moore M
Also drew to Leicester, lost to Ipswich, lost to Woolwich at a whimper at home, lost to Newcastle..
We were obviously better pre injuries and the performances were significantly improved, but the results were still not good. At no point were we putting together wins with any kind of consistency. We have not done this with any consistency for a very long time under Ange.
The excuses about not having a full squad is hogwash. we had a full strength team & still LOST to Palace
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23Porro P.
17Romero C.(C)
37van de Ven M.
13Udogie D.
21Kulusevski D.
8Bissouma Y.
10Maddison J.
22Johnson B.
19Solanke D.
47Moore M
I think 2 things can be true though.
Certainly having the options to rest and rotate particularly over this period would have definitely helped us during this period, I can only imagine is players like Son and Solanke for example were playing one game a week you'd see better performances.
Having a squad is about having options, at the moment we don't have many options to choose from and the ability to rest and rotate.
I think we’re still reasonably effective just outside the opposition penalty area, as they play out. Solanke still commits and both Kulu and Maddison will press the out ball. It still works.
But other than that, I can’t see any patterns. Son just sprints at FBs randomly. Brennan is very half hearted. I don’t see Biss and Sarr working together (usually because they’re scrambling to cover).
From his point of view, he has no reason to worry about pressing. If he was asked to describe his picture perfect football match, it would be something like this:
Push everybody but 2 CB's forward towards the opponent's own half to put them on back foot. Force them to get behind the ball with 10 men. Basically besiege and entrap them inside their own box. Take the initiative from the beginning and never give it away for 90 minutes.
If this brand of football is actually obtainable and sustainable, there is indeed no need to consider pressing a coordinated team effort that needs to be worked on. Just focus on your attacking patterns and movement, assert yourself over the opposition, and the need to press would disappear by default. Because even when you lose the ball, it would happen in a circumstance where opposition is so far deep into their own half, with so little men in front, that they'd almost instantly give the ball back without any special effort on your part.
That's obviously not how it works in reality though. We routinely lose the ball in midfield, or even inside our own half trying to play out from the back. They can play out from the back themselves, putting us on backfoot. It's not necessarily players' fault. Even a well coordinated team press is not immune to getting beaten on occasions.
It seems that his only response to all these aforementioned possibilities is to shrug his shoulders and double down. His ideas are perfect, but his players are letting him down because they're not errorproof. If only they were.
Push everybody but 2 CB's forward towards the opponent's own half to put them on back foot. Force them to get behind the ball with 10 men. Basically besiege and entrap them inside their own box. Take the initiative from the beginning and never give it away for 90 minutes.
If this brand of football is actually obtainable and sustainable, there is indeed no need to consider pressing a coordinated team effort that needs to be worked on. Just focus on your attacking patterns and movement, assert yourself over the opposition, and the need to press would disappear by default. Because even when you lose the ball, it would happen in a circumstance where opposition is so far deep into their own half, with so little men in front, that they'd almost instantly give the ball back without any special effort on your part.
That's obviously not how it works in reality though. We routinely lose the ball in midfield, or even inside our own half trying to play out from the back. They can play out from the back themselves, putting us on backfoot. It's not necessarily players' fault. Even a well coordinated team press is not immune to getting beaten on occasions.
It seems that his only response to all these aforementioned possibilities is to shrug his shoulders and double down. His ideas are perfect, but his players are letting him down because they're not errorproof. If only they were.
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