I don’t think he likes us.
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Manager Ange Postecoglou
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I don’t think he likes us.
I watch the TV for entertainment
Football is about winning
I hear the cry "we are down to barebones" OK adapt the system to the players
a top company does not bring in a sparkie to repair H&V equipment ( H&V needs a specialist not a guy playing about with it) but that's what we are doing, With Dragon & Gray as CH's both don't see a pass so are under pressure as they look for that pass, Foster can't play with his feet so is under pressure as soon as the ball comes back to him
for one or two games yes I will say the manager has to keep his system (even thou I don't like the way we play at all) but when you know its going to be weeks & weeks SURELY the manager should change to try to ensure less pressure on these 3 players
Football is about winning
I hear the cry "we are down to barebones" OK adapt the system to the players
a top company does not bring in a sparkie to repair H&V equipment ( H&V needs a specialist not a guy playing about with it) but that's what we are doing, With Dragon & Gray as CH's both don't see a pass so are under pressure as they look for that pass, Foster can't play with his feet so is under pressure as soon as the ball comes back to him
for one or two games yes I will say the manager has to keep his system (even thou I don't like the way we play at all) but when you know its going to be weeks & weeks SURELY the manager should change to try to ensure less pressure on these 3 players
We’ve conceded the first goal in 15 home games across 2024 apparently. We often aren’t even protecting leads.
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Here are numbers of goals scored. Ange is looking even better than I expected.
Santini: 8 goals in 12 matches. 0.66
Jol: 166 goals in 112 matches. 1.48
Ramos:54 goals in 36 matches. 1.5
Redknapp: 228 goals in 144 matches. 1.58
AVB: 81 goals in 54 matches. 1.5
Pochettino: 372 goals in 202 matches. 1.84
Mourinho: 95 goals in 58 matches. 1.63
Nuno: 9 goals in 10 matches. 0.9
Conte: 112 goals in 56 matches. 2
Ange: 113 goals in 55 matches. 2.05
The only two that may have a case over him are Conte (almost identical record, which surprised me), and Pochettino (due to huge difference in sample size in favour of him). Nobody else is close. And that’s despite the fact that Ange has not really been given a group of high quality frontline players. This looks really encouraging at first glance.
Now, what does that number of Ange’s exactly mean? To give you a perspective (not a comparison between these two managers in general), a mere 3 goal improvement over the course of a 38 match season would allow Ange to catch Klopp. Except they spent almost the entirety of Klopp's tenure inside top 4, while we’ve been spending most of Ange’s tenure in mid-table form. What's the deal?
Again, it’s not necessarily a Klopp vs Ange comparison. Replace Klopp with whoever you want. The point is that numbers just don’t add up with Ange. Looks like we’re scoring in vain.
What I see is this: We’re extremely close to fully exhausting our goal scoring potential. We're already suffering from diminishing returns, where trying to score even more, at the expense of loosening up our defense, is not only fruitless but counterproductive. In other words, with or without higher quality attackers that we in fact need, we can’t sustain a level of scoring necessary to turn us into a consistent top 4-5 team under Ange (I know, we indeed finished 5th last season). No team can. It’s simply because we’re giving up way too much on the other end. So as long as he keeps conceiving the issue as lack of scoring, rather than awful defending, we’ll never go anywhere with him. How can you find a cure when your diagnosis is so wrong?
I guess he deserves significant credit for creating a team that scores this much with the players he has. Unfortunately, unlike what he seems to think, scoring is not an end in itself. The sooner he realizes this the better. But I highly doubt he will.
Who was it that said goals win games, defences win titles?
We really should have kept Satini, he was definitely onto something...would have won the league
Gareth Southgate.
No it was someone else lol
Yeah it was actually Sir Alex. But I’m sure Gareth mentioned it too!
Was he a homework copying chancer too?
Yeah it was actually Sir Alex. But I’m sure Gareth mentioned it too!
Since the 9man Chelsea result. Premier league only PPG.
Ange Postecglou PPG - 1.40
(With first 10 games PPG - 1.61)
Ryan Mason PPG - 1.58
Good points but would say yes the fans want to see any manager backed. However we know how levy / enoc run the club so it’s almost futile. Having said that this manager has been backed to a seen before. This is the angst most people have with Ange that given the expenditure he hasn’t been able mould a team to play consistent winning football in 18 months. Further it looks like from how he behaves, actions and comments he is not going to as well.
We all want him to do well but the evidence thus far points in the opposite direction.
Well said but giving this manager those players is never gonna work. He has shown time and again that really he prefers his face 11 players and really is not a youth project builder.
Let’s see how many they put past Leicester at home.
Thing is v citeh whether forced or otherwise we did play a counter attacking styke. Although they still had a lot of shots. So even sitting back we are not that good because probably just mark zones rather than track runners. I’ve noticed so many times when we have players back the oppo still find space in our final third and pen box. It’s bcos no one tracks runners especially the wide players so there is always an over load.
He is still better than Ange as he showed last season. After a few months getting to grips with the shit show at chavs he got the firing. By the end they were the form team. He beat Ange in two games as well. Would have loved him back in April 23 but someone on the board didn’t want him. Think it was Donna.
I'm fairly confident that the same exact argument can be made in the opposite direction as well. Some managers are just defending in vain. Dyche is probably a good example. Again, let's take Klopp as the benchmark.
Dyche's Burnley teams conceded 365 goals in 260 EPL matches. That's 1.40/match.
Klopp's teams conceded 331 goals in 334 EPL matches. That's 0.99/match.
The difference in numbers seems stark, but I don't think it's enough to justify the difference between where these two teams stood in the table across the years. A 15 goal difference over the course of a 38 match season accounts for the difference in aforementioned averages. Again, it's significant. But IMO not significant enough to explain the massive gap between a relegation fodder and title contender.
Dyche was not getting enough ROI for all the time and effort he was putting into defending. Instead he'd be better off allocating some of these resources towards increasing his team's scoring.
Even if you find this particular example unconvincing, there's a more general point to be made. Stating the obvious here, but the point is that there's indeed a trade-off between attacking and defending. It's a wide spectrum, with these two being two opposite ends. One can conceivably stand at different points based on different circumstances. But denying the existence of this trade-off/spectrum itself is highly problematic.
If that is indeed what Ange is doing, which appears so to me, then he'll never enjoy much success at this level. Not because he's not given this striker or that winger, but because his thinking is fundamentally flawed.
We have dorrington with all the England level appearances who’s 19 I think. Any reason why Ange could not at least give him a go? Other clubs have youngsters like bmouth with that 19 yr old CB.
Let’s take away that no one knows about the medical state of the players but assume both have sort of recovered from their injuries. The issue is he played both together as soon as they were deemed ‘fit’. He had been play drag and davies for a couple of games and both done well especially drag who had been derided a bit. There was no reason to drop him for either of the other two. Must have done wonders for his morale. What Ange should have done is start drag and played just one of the other two along side him. But no he played both to save his skin. A game where we got tanked anyway and normally do.Don't even engage with him on that. He has literally no clue what he's talking about. Nobody on this forum knows the protocol we follow when it comes to players coming back from injury. Ange kept it quiet about VDV coming back but he actually came back later than the original prognosis. He was meant to be back after the international break.
Even then, Ange isn't the medical team, he can't clear a player to return to play.Deuterz wouldn't care if he was told the protocols the club follows either, he just wants all our problems to be caused by the manager. It's like talking to a man child who is used to being told he's right all the time by his parents and is now confused people in the real world have the temerity to disagree with him.
What if it's a digital clock and the batteries have run out
